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[–] dugmeup 62 points 2 months ago
[–] Chessmasterrex 54 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I'm all for giving credit where credit is due.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Better headline

" China's EV Revolution Slows Oil Demand "

[–] doodledup 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What is with these headlines these days.... "Fueling a slowdown".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Editors love puns

[–] Soleos 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

China's EV's putting brakes on oil demand

[–] anakin78z 1 points 2 months ago

Oil demand deceleration is up in country where demand for non battery vehicles is down. China.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They sort of bury the lede by only mentioning it once in the tagline. Their consumption is also down because there is a massive widespread shift to using CNG/LNG in industrial vehicles/transport trucks instead of diesel, which is a majority driver of oil consumption in China's production-based economy.

[–] DMBFFF 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

True, but IIUC, the energy/mass of carbon might be better than diesel.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

You are right, according to the Wikipedia:
CNG/LNG:

CNG's energy density is the same as liquefied natural gas at 53.6 MJ/kg.

Diesel fuel:

About 86.1% of diesel fuel mass is carbon, and when burned, it offers a net heating value of 43.1 MJ/kg as opposed to 43.2 MJ/kg for gasoline.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

It also burns ridiculously cleaner as it does not have the typical long hydrocarbons and sulfur/metal contaminants that otherwise turn into air pollution. It's a smart choice in the short term.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fueling a slowdown? Doesn't sound right.

[–] mmcintyre 11 points 2 months ago

That headline is a race track that leads to a brick wall.

[–] FlyingSquid 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I need a car because I live in a semi-rural area outside city limits the nearest public transportation would be a 2-mile walk including crossing a four-lane highway. I'm under no illusions that driving an EV will solve climate change, but boy would I like to never have to fill my car up in the middle of an Indiana February again.

[–] Fedizen 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I had coworkers that had all electric EVs (both had nissan leafs) 5 years ago and they both said it was like 7 dollars a month as a daily 60 mile per day commuter.

Aside from Teslas (which are afaik impossible to repair) the estimate is that due to fewer moving parts the lifetime maintenance costs are 2/3 the cost of gas vehicles AND the vehicles are expected to last longer in general (no giant gas engine that needs to be rebuilt every 200,000 miles)

This is one place where like gas car companies see this and keep trying to kick the can down the road

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Today I sold my beloved 2008 Mini, partly because, while the engine was still completely sound at 130k miles (barring the turbo that blew up three years ago), the rest of the car was beginning to fall apart. One of the rear light clusters kept shorting, interior panels worked themselves loose, the AC stopped working, the self leveling mechanism in one of the headlights broke. And so on, and so on.

I’m genuinely sad that I had to let it go, but it was on the cusp of being a massive pain in the ass to sort out.

But that engine was still solid.

[–] Juvyn00b 1 points 2 months ago

I had a Lexus ES350 that had a melting dash, and the recall for it has ended a year prior to me having the issue. Essentially the dash was engineered to be easier to recycle/break down - but inadvertently had a lifetime limitation to it. The rest of the car was in decent enough shape and didn't give me any real problems. There were alternate solutions to fixing the dash, but once you start talking 200000 miles on a chassis - you're gonna start replacing things. Touched surfaces start breaking down; things with less robust parts (cd player) start having issues etc. Overall the entire package just starts looking tired, and replacing the whole thing looks more attractive than trying to find parts for a fifteen year old car. Perhaps modularization in the future can help. For instance I wouldn't have minded replacing the audio system in the car - but it was very much a specialized installation that wasn't a standardized "double din" setup. Also trying to find basic comforts like replacement seat cushions or leather to match gets tricky after the manufacturer stops keeping stock.

[–] CondensedPossum 13 points 2 months ago

Why is Biz Insider so insistent on being cringe on top of being a worthless capitalist propaganda rag

[–] badbytes 6 points 2 months ago

Why is the title written so badly. Can't journalists write a normal descriptive headline.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Another benefit to the sanctions against Chinese EVs - gotta protect those oil profits!

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