I saw more than I should've with the recent Kharkiv bombings by Russia.
Ukraine should absolutely be able to strike as far as they desire into Russia.
After all, it's not escalation; it's parity.
this post was submitted on 01 Sep 2024
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It wouldn't even be parity. That would require mass targeting of civilians, which I doubt Ukraine will do even if they were allowed and able to strike deep into Russia, as well as using chemical weapons and all kinds of other things.
The West encourages the West to do so as well
—Me, of the West
Yes, if Ukraine falls guess who is next. It is in our all interest to let them do it.
We have to acknowledge that those people are dying for our safety too.
Russia needs to get fucked in a way its current state is completely fractured and it has to make an entirely clean break with its past. It can be done, it seems the political will need only precipitate which can only occur as the Fuck you, got mine folks are increasingly affected. Narcissistic people and methods need to be quarantined so their deathblood can be expressed and any final matters ensured carriage
Denucléarisation and probably splitting up russia in some 5 regions.
I'm at a point where I'm starting to think USA doesn't want Ukraine to "win" the war, just "fight the war indefinately". They don't want either side to lose, but they want Ukraine to look on top.
This is a perfect way to weaken Russia for a looong time both militarily and economically.
China will be the next one to do something stupid and a weak Russia is a good thing when it happens
I've thought that since Russia first invaded. Really feels like the US is just trying to bleed Russia for as long as possible.
Yes, they are “boiling the frog”. The strategic goal of the US is not Ukraine winning, it’s Russia losing. By grinding up Russian resources month after month, the US can maximize the long-term damage to Russia by destroying their resources (e.g. money, military equipment, soldiers/workforce).
That's not it, that's what Russia is trying to pitch to discourage Ukrainians.
The actual answer is less evil and more sad:
We weren't prepared and when the war started we didn't think Ukraine would fight, we figured they would lose in a month or 2.
When your whole geopolitical assessment is blown out of the water, you tend to move forward cautiously, because at the level they operate, cautious is always considered the right move with so much at stake.
Plus, domestic politics means committing makes it a political issue, and as a political issue, the dems could lose the election on this alone. If the Russians actually understood us they could use this in ways you couldn't imagine, but fortunately their tools are still crude.
The US wants Ukraine to drain Russian resources and fight to the last Ukrainian....
Da comrade, ignore the Russian threats of war, this is clearly just the west holding back.
Literally half the shipments were stopped by the Russia wing of the GOP.
Biden is afraid of what it will mean if Russia loses the war. His mindset is quite ossified on a number of topics, and this is one of the biggest ones.
I'm all for giving Ukraine everything it needs to teach Russia a lesson that they can't forget.
But while I disagree with it, I still understand their fear of a humiliated Russia, they're erratic at the best of times.
Still, they broke the peace of Europe, the price they have to pay for that is blood, and it is very high.
If only protecting Ukraine meant killing brown people. Then the US would be the first country to help.
Which brown people? You Americans pick and choose which brown people are worthy and which are bombable depending on what cable news told you.
I heard someone saying this would start a full scale war, as if the Ukrainians haven't already been at war and under invasion. Hitting the invading country inside its own borders is an old and well used strategy.
I'm down. Let them use everything they can until Russia either gets the fuck out of Ukraine or becomes New Ukraine.
Well, everything within the Geneva conventions. Unlike Russia.
It is easier to ask forgiveness than to ask permission. :)
Which is great for wearing your boyfriend's hoodies, but is slightly more problematic when dealing with geopolitical scales and, you know, countries giving you weapons that you absolutely need to not be steamrolled by an invading force.
And they're only a few thousand votes away from losing that support as-is.