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President Volodymyr Zelensky on Aug. 31 called on the U.S., the U.K., France, and Germany to allow Ukraine to use long-range weapons to strike targets in Russia.

“I appeal to the U.S., the U.K., France and Germany. We need the ability to genuinely and fully defend Ukraine and Ukrainians. We require both: permissions for long-range capabilities and your long-range shells and missiles,” Zelensky said in his evening address.

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Kyiv has long argued that restrictions on the use of long-range weapons are stifling its war effort, while Washington claimed that allowing Ukraine to hit deep into Russian territory with its weapons could escalate the conflict.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind 56 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm at a point where I'm starting to think USA doesn't want Ukraine to "win" the war, just "fight the war indefinately". They don't want either side to lose, but they want Ukraine to look on top.

[–] lepinkainen 30 points 2 weeks ago

This is a perfect way to weaken Russia for a looong time both militarily and economically.

China will be the next one to do something stupid and a weak Russia is a good thing when it happens

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I've thought that since Russia first invaded. Really feels like the US is just trying to bleed Russia for as long as possible.

[–] slaacaa 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, they are “boiling the frog”. The strategic goal of the US is not Ukraine winning, it’s Russia losing. By grinding up Russian resources month after month, the US can maximize the long-term damage to Russia by destroying their resources (e.g. money, military equipment, soldiers/workforce).

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

That's not it, that's what Russia is trying to pitch to discourage Ukrainians.

The actual answer is less evil and more sad:

We weren't prepared and when the war started we didn't think Ukraine would fight, we figured they would lose in a month or 2.

When your whole geopolitical assessment is blown out of the water, you tend to move forward cautiously, because at the level they operate, cautious is always considered the right move with so much at stake.

Plus, domestic politics means committing makes it a political issue, and as a political issue, the dems could lose the election on this alone. If the Russians actually understood us they could use this in ways you couldn't imagine, but fortunately their tools are still crude.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The US wants Ukraine to drain Russian resources and fight to the last Ukrainian....

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Da comrade, ignore the Russian threats of war, this is clearly just the west holding back.

Literally half the shipments were stopped by the Russia wing of the GOP.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Biden is afraid of what it will mean if Russia loses the war. His mindset is quite ossified on a number of topics, and this is one of the biggest ones.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm all for giving Ukraine everything it needs to teach Russia a lesson that they can't forget.

But while I disagree with it, I still understand their fear of a humiliated Russia, they're erratic at the best of times.

Still, they broke the peace of Europe, the price they have to pay for that is blood, and it is very high.