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Housing Bubble 2: Return of the Ugly

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Really? Because over here in this western democracy, we've got employment contracts and renter protections that make the first two impossible.

I also find it hilarious to place a Facebook ban on the same level as unemployed homelessness.

[–] Mango 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

At will

[–] candybrie 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not every western democracy is the united states.

[–] Mango 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can I not talk about where I am? It's a problem my state is facing.

[–] candybrie 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You can. The whole post itself was about the US. You just replied to someone who was talking about another country with "at will" like it invalidated their experience.

[–] Mango -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"this" isn't very specific...

[–] candybrie 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nope. It's just specifically not the US.

[–] Mango 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

US has employment contracts and renter protections.

[–] candybrie 3 points 5 months ago

Employment contracts are a rare exception in the US.

[–] 13esq 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Renter protections in the UK are worth fuck all. You might have a 12 month contract, but if the landlord wants you gone they just choose not to renew.

You either suck the landlords dick or start looking for a new landlords dick to suck.

Anyone that thinks otherwise has clearly never been a tennant, the balance of power is almost completely one sided.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Renter protection in the Netherlands is pretty great. Once a rental contract is renewed, it automatically becomes a contract with no fixed term. If your landlord wants you out after that 1 chance, they'll have to get a judge to approve it.

[–] breadsmasher 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)

thats american democracy. the rest of the western world is far less dystopian

[+] [email protected] -14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Eh not really. For most people in Europe this post is true as well.

[–] Eheran 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nonsense.

[–] surewhynotlem -2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ukraine, Romania, and Poland have good workers rights?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Not sure about the rest, but Romania does. Communism fucked us up in many ways, but a positive legacy is how enshrined unions are in law.

Companies can get legislated to oblivion if it turns out they tried to suppress a union. We have "codul muncii" (the labour code EDIT: Found a decent English translation if anyone's interested) which is a surprisingly readable government legal document that goes through exactly what rights you have and what obligations the company has towards you, as well as what legal incantations you need to do in which situations.

We have problems that spring up when both the workers and the company don't know how this works. Workers being taken advantage of, unaware how much power they have, and companies not realising it only takes one person to report them before very bad things start happening to them.

We also have 18 days national holiday, minimum 21 days PTO per year (2 weeks of this per year must be consecutive and the company gets punished if it isn't). Maternity leave is 126 days at 85% of your income (42 of it mandatory). These rules are fairly middle of the pack in Europe, nothing exceptional except the huge number of national holidays.

[–] Maalus 8 points 5 months ago

Poland has pretty great laws if you have a contract. There is also a business2business relationship which a lot of people go for, where you aren't as protected but get to keep more money out of it.

[–] IsThisAnAI 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is just as dumb as GOPers bitching about cancel culture.

[–] yokonzo 5 points 5 months ago

Daily reminder that not every state has the same work/renters protections

[–] an_onanist 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Is there some other location/system that is different?

[–] 13esq 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The UK used to have plentiful stock of social housing. Great building quality with affordable rents. This was the standard way people would attain their accommodation.

Unfortunately the government chose to sell it off in the 80's and failed to replenish the supply in line with the growing population, causing the next generation a need to rely upon parasitic landlords.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

Not really… Being poor is highly penalized. Free to get a job and pay taxes.

[–] GrouperGater96 -4 points 5 months ago

It's not as free of a country as you think.