With how awful this war is, itβs nice to see common human decency and gratitude on display for a change.
this post was submitted on 15 Aug 2024
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The reason Russian soldiers behave as they do is they're conditioned to believe its totally normal military behavior. "If we don't do it that's what will happen to us," is what they're brought to believe. The Russian Federation is a pure terrorist state. The people of Russia need big daddy Putin to keep them safe from all the manufactured fears that big daddy Putin is feeding them. I was reading this morning about how Ukraine is currently having a bit of a public health emergency because there aren't enough therapists to help Russian POW's navigate the social whiplash they're experience from not being tortured. They were promised that nothing could be worse than a Ukrainian POW camp and they're finding it to be more pleasant than standing guard over Russian land. Like... These are people who have been so traumatized for so long that kindness is its own form of trauma. It recontextualizes all of their prior experiences and its a lot to take in.
They think they'll be tortured because that's what they do to others.
It's a mental oroboros of torture. And being broken out of that loop does some weird shit to your brain
It's really only the Russian military who has been awful, and it's almost tragic how much Putin and Russia's military doctrine have destroyed these kids' minds. They turned children into monsters, then justifed their actions by claiming the enemy is just as monstrous. Meanwhile, all of us outside Russia can't even imagine why a conscript wouldn't want to surrender to the Ukrainians, who have consistently shown themselves to be excellent people who are willing to care for these conscripts even despite some of the things they've done.
I'm reminded of what Japanese soldiers were told about Americans. From what I recall, they, too, would commit suicide rather than be captured, fearing torture. Awful.
Back then it was almost impossible for the average Japanese person to get news not controlled by the Japanese government, but is Putin's control over the Russian internet so effective that Russians also have no information that he doesn't control?
It's not about control, it's about distrust. Totalitarian cacophony. Putin doesn't need to make Russians trust their own media; he only needs to convince them that ALL media, everywhere, lies, all the time. The weaponization of cynicism in service to fascism.
Known as the "firehose of falsehood"
More like the "Lying Press"
Well, no. The originally German / Nazi tactic called LΓΌgenpresse aka. "Lying Press" is more about just claiming that the press is lying β like how conservatives latched onto calling everything "fake news" after US Republicans and Trump started doing it after their bullshit was called out with that term.
The idea with the "firehose of falsehood", like the page I linked to explains, is to saturate media with so much high volume and continuous bullshit that people start to doubt whether it's even possible to know anything about objective reality in the first place. The point isn't to proclaim that the media is lying, but to simply lie so much that people start to think that all media is just lies. The tactic originated in Russia and has been in use since Soviet times and the internet has allowed them to take it to a completely new level.
And yes, Nazi-controlled media was obviously also full of total fabrications, but that doesn't mean that these two tactics are the same thing.
He doesn't need to have watertight censorship of outside sources to have meaningful control. The USA has relatively little censorship and we still have a sizable population that are happy to accept any old bullshit as fact, without any impetus to question or validate it.
AFAIK it's more of a nudge-theoretic information bubble. Most people will just listen to the news put right in front of them. Russian language independent outlets targeted at Russia exist, but obviously are facing an uphill battle to distribute their stuff there, and if they do get through there's no way for a person to know they're not just a different kind of propaganda. Plus, the version Russian media tells is much more flattering to you, a Russian.
If you're the kind of person who's ends up on Lemmy, you may be willing to learn English and expose yourself to the outside world, however ugly what you find is. Most people are not that savvy, though.
It's not total control, but it's so highly laced in propoganda and unreliable that Russians don't trust western media either, assuming it's the same. It's just like how politics in russia is something that's not for normal people so no one pays any interest in it.
A lot of people donβt get their news from the internet. Especially the older generations. The same generation that send young men to die in pointless wars.
Most social media is blocked in Russia, if I'm not mistaken, so yeah, probably.
Which is sad. Nothing good ever comes of leaders stopping their people from speaking freely with foreigners.
That, by the way, is why Chat Control, KOSA, and similar legislation must be stopped. It's the same damn thing as Russian and Chinese censorship, with the same foul purpose.
Wait, how exactly did they survive the grenade? Just dumb luck?
"I took out a grenade. He [his comrade] said, "Let's do it." We hugged each other, threw it on the ground and said some last warm words to each other. The comrade also has a leg wound.
It sounds like they were standing, dropped the grenade at their feet, and were hugging each other. The hug would possibly reduce some damage to center mass, and it sounds like both have injuries to the legs. If the grenade rolled away that would increase survivability. It also sounds like the interviewee took the brunt of the damage.
But don't listen to me, the closest I've come to a grenade is a Chipotle burrito with bad arvo
If blood is reaching your brain the human body is pretty resilient.
If a trauma patient can make it to a modern hospital while still alive they're probably going to keep them alive.
tl;dr yes, dumb luck
Well it was presumably a Russian made grenade, maybe it didn't have any fragmentation due to cost cuts. also presumably the Ukrainians were quick to find the two and treat them before they died to blood loss.
They shared water and cigarettes with the prisoners...
Ah, suicide by the long route, allowing the Russian soldier to be a drain on the state with emphysema. Good long term thinking.
I don't think any of the soldiers on the frontline are even worth torturing to be honest. None of them know anything as they're simply being told to do something.
Is this how you "kill them with kindness"? Danm, I'm not crying,.. you're crying!