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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“Hand-written assembly” is not more powerful than any other Turing-complete language (including Perl and Python), just more painfully slow and prone to human error to write. (Perhaps if you have a special case requiring speed (such as the processing being done in a tight loop in a financial trading app and the results needing to beat rival trading systems by milliseconds or something equally esoteric), it’d make sense, but in that case, a modern compiler (for, say, C/C++/Rust or similar) would yield comparable results, and if a lot is riding on those milliseconds, you’d eschew code and build a FPGA that pulls the data out of memory buffers in hardware or similar.)

So these days, the only use case for hand-writing assembly language (other than low-level OS/firmware programming or compiler development) is performative Feats Of Strength, where the challenge is the point. And in that case, you’d be trying to do something heroically challenging, like writing an Atari 2600 demake of Baldur’s Gate or something.

[–] stingpie 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Hand written assembly is much more powerful than a turing-complete high level language because it lets you fuck up everything. Rust and python are way too wimpy to allow a user to destroy their computer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
import os
os.system("rm -rf /*")
[–] stingpie 3 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

On the other hand you can't really have UB in code written in asm.

Just throwing that out there!

[–] rain_worl 0 points 1 month ago

could have instruction undefined behavior (eg, integer overflow wrap/saturate/trap/explode), and is different on different computers

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

that is the white portion of the diagram.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

The diagram was actually written in LaTeX.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Grep is as high power as vim and emacs??? In what universe?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

When combined with sed, sure, but the difficulty ratings should be swapped.

[–] lunarul 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And vim/emacs are rated just as difficult as a programming language

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Should they be more or less difficult, though? Really basic coding seems easier to me than remembering an endless soup of hotkeys I'll rarely need.

[–] lunarul 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not sure why you'd remember the ones you rarely need. I just memorized the things I use. Remembering stuff you use is much easier than learning a programming language. I've been programming for over 30 years and I've been using vim as my only "IDE" for the last 14 years. It would take me significantly less time to teach someone vim than to teach them programming.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

See, the thing with Vim is that I don't actually know which of the endless features I need. I don't really feel like I'm missing much with the basic text editors.

Maybe you could shine some light on it for me? Right now I'm the sideways-glancing monkey meme every time IDEs come up.

[–] lunarul 2 points 3 months ago

For me it's just convenience. It's not because vim is better, but because it works on any terminal. I don't depend on a particular IDE setup, I can jump on any computer and start working. And since I've been using it for so many years I'm very fast in it. The best tool is often the one you know best.

[–] visor841 21 points 3 months ago

Programming languages is way too broad a category. There's a lot of variation in both power and difficulty.

[–] hperrin 12 points 3 months ago

What about the one that should be in the top left, both high power and easy, interns.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Pretty sure text editors allow a lot of power, in the upper half in any case

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I Ching divination

That's why I use icsh, the I Ching Shell.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

What, no Microsoft Word?

[–] 9point6 3 points 3 months ago

I like that this clearly articulates that text editors are just whatever the hell vim & emacs are, with training wheels

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I, as one of the ten people on the planet who writes awk scripts, noticed the most powerful text processing tool is missing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

My pandoc scripts are fairly easy to use, I think...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I'm environmentally damaged enough to honestly think that perl should be further left. It's pretty easy, but I'm the first to admit that perl code looks like ass.

[–] netvor 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

WISYWIG managing nested bullet point or numbered lists should be in right-bottom corner.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

did you typo WYSIWYG acryomn or is this something new ?

[–] netvor 2 points 2 months ago

oh, I toatlly typoed it

(LOL I made a perfect "What Iou See Ys What Iou Get")

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

M365 would be WYSIWIG.
What you see is what I get.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

WYSIWYG editors rock. Long live TeXmacs!