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Despite Donald Trump’s claims, his gag order holds up against the Constitution.
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It would be better if they could forget the hate that he convinced them of having.
Oh, my sweet summer child.
You can go bless your own heart using southern insults.
I'm an old European man, but I have not conceded the belief that we can make the world a better place using positive reinforcement or just by fucking trying.
I beg of you not to give in to apathy for lulz. It's not funny.
If the democrats win, you will need to embrace your fellow countrymen and get them on your team. Alienating them like the meme suggests is only going to reinforce their wrong beliefs.
Okay, that's my pep-talk. A more affable way of putting it: Yo, you gotta live those people, make the best of it.
I should have been clearer.
... the hate that he convinced them of having.
They already had that hate, all primed and ready to vote for the person who would authorize them to use it.
Fair point.
I actually had the same thought before posting, but decided that it was more relevant to describe my point of view on the solution rather than the problem.
The conservative hatred is still your problem to solve, because Trump is sure as fuck not taking the issue along into the grave when he dies.
In my opinion it's best solved by getting in dialogue with the idiots and allowing them to change their minds instead of holding a grudge against them and excluding them. I acknowledge that it is naïve but I want to believe that anyone can be become smarter, even republican voters. Excluding them won't work, because they already feel left out of what they call the "elite", which is really their term for anyone who didn't flunk out of school.
I want to believe that anyone can be become smarter, even republican voters.
Don't get me wrong. I firmly believe that there has to be a path to redemption. That path exists. All anyone who is missing the point has to do is think about literally anyone besides themselves. I can't make anyone do that. That is not, and cannot, be my problem to solve.
No one can ever make anyone do or learn anything. That's the teachers curse. Understanding only comes when a person themselves understands it themselves.
The best you can do is to keep questioning them until they at least think about it, and that's all I ask you to consider doing.
Someone tells racist shit? Ask them why?
Your uncle doesn't want universal healthcare? Ask him why?
You mother doesn't want student loans forgiven? Ask her why?
Why?
Because it'll make them think about it, and them thinking is what is needed.
I'm not interested in having, for example, a racist defend their racism to me. Nor am I interested in giving them the opportunity to firm up their own wrong-headed conceptions through the action of defending them.
That is the point. Nobody can defend racism. Do not sit in silent agreement, question it instead.
You will hear a lot of garbage, but you don't have to agree, just listen and ask.
They'll come back with all kinds of excuses or argumens.. "I feel like.." , "I've heard that everyone says" or point to sources of statementd etc..
You can question all of it, until they start questioning themselves why they're listening to those sources in the first place. Again, don't push it, just let them come back with whatever argument they've found and then question it. If you do it in a civil way, they'll eventually start thinking or asking for your opinion.
I refer you to my previous comment.
Answering the last part of your previous comment:
They will only firm up their own opinion if you start arguing.
As soon as you say "you're wrong because ABC and D argument", *that's when they dig into their opinion and make up reasoning to protect their view.
Questioning doesn't do that. It's a fine way to allow people to reason themselves out of the hole the dug into.
you will need to embrace your fellow countrymen and get them on your team
That assumes they want us to embrace them or be on our team. It's pretty clear they don't.
Ahh. Give it try. Whenever they say something,njust ask them why they think that. Don't argue, don't push, just ask. Eventually they'll think about it.
Someone else will have to do that. I don't have enough patience, and I'm sure their idiocy will give me a migraine.
Maybe, maybe if they come to me asking to find common ground I'd listen. But I'm not wasting what little time I have on this planet throwing pearls before swine.
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This right here. Life is too short to fuck around with fascists and nazis. 24 hours isn't enough.
Nah. I'm old and tired and don't care if those chuckle fucks hate me. I'll just pretend that their whole little pathetic world doesn't exist.
nah id rather not embrace awful bigots they can fix their own fucking hearts.
Impeached felon. Rapist. Taitor. Thief. Liar. Embarrassment. And yet you think he's president
Curious
I would be not at all surprised if the supreme court inadvertently abolished slander and libel by overturning this decision
They'd have to do some really meticulous double-speak because rich legal "geniuses" like Trump and Musk use slander and libel in the courtroom to silence people like Paula Dean uses butter and the N-word in the kitchen
he doesnt know whats in the constitution, nor does he care.
Weird, old felon.
Anyone else hope he loses his shit and erupts into a gag order breaking tirade?
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