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Men's Liberation - A Place to Discuss Men's Issues With A Focus On Intersectionality (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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https://lemmy.ca/c/mensliberation

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Men's Liberation

NOTE: This is not a misogynistic community a la MRA

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I like the idea behind the community but it is a terrible name. Without reading an explanation, most people would assume it was some toxic, misogynistic group. I only know what it refers to because I bothered reading some of the comments here.

I'm sure there are much better names, such as Positive Masculinity for example.

[–] v81 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're right about the assumption... ... But the assumptions are also part of the problem.

Women's liberation doesn't get a second glance at is name, so why can't a men's liberation discussion group enjoy the same?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also positive masculinity tends to still be rooted in fairly patriarchal ideas of what it means to be a man in ways that liberation from gender roles specifically is not.

[–] Candelestine 6 points 1 year ago

Well, you're right, that was my initial assumption upon immediately seeing the name. It also aroused enough of my curiosity to check further though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I like the idea behind the community but it is a terrible name.

The men's liberation movement is a concept going back 50+ years. It would be difficult to change that at this point.

Also r/MensLib is a large, well-known sub with a well-defined remit. If you are going to start something similar on here it would be confusing not to go with a similar name. However, because of its scope, from what I saw, it tended to be a bit alienating to those who didn't toe the party line.

So there is room for a community focused on a broader, looser discussion of the topic (although it'd need strict moderating), like:

I’m sure there are much better names, such as Positive Masculinity for example.

Healthy Masculinity? It seems to be the more accepted term, although they can be used interchangeably.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Make it happen! Not a man but would love to see it out there

[–] danhasnolife 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I like the concept of being able to talk openly about mens' issues. That liberation name is unfortunate; in my opinion, it definitely sounds at least apologetic towards misogyny. What do we have to be liberated from?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Consider that patriarchy hurts men too. There's a lot of pressure to be a certain way in order to "be a man", no crying or expressing emotions beyond anger or happiness, gotta be tough, that sort of thing. We can and should liberate ourselves from those toxic expectations

Edit: i'm sure someone else might be able to word it better, that's just off the top of my head/how i interpret it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Naw you nailed it. It's a reference to Women's Lib

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's a reference to the women's lib movement. It's about liberation from patriarchy and traditional gender roles.

See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_liberation_movement

[–] themeatbridge 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, but if you have to spend this much time explaining what you mean, it seems counterproductive. And it's going to attract the toxic personalities and opinions that we're supposed to be liberating from.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Women's liberation is not some esoteric piece of history. It's in living memory for a lot of people and was a household term for decades. For those unfamiliar, I think it's worth asking why that may be.

[–] themeatbridge 5 points 1 year ago

Right, but Women's Liberation from what? A patriarchal society that oppressed and exploited women. Men's Liberation is not at all the same. I agree with the mission statement, but women were second class citizens, denied education, denied positions of power, denied basic human rights and civic decency.

Men don't require that level of liberation. Casting off societal pressures and expectations, living free of gender-based norms or requirements, and discussing how those pressures affect your life, those are noble pursuits and I'm here for it. I support that. I'm on your side.

I'm just saying that the comparison doesn't highlight the things you want to highlight. The implication is that the struggle is the same, that the severity is equivalent, and in the worst case, the roles are reversed. Misogynistic morons will try to co-opt the name to say that men need liberation from women, and that's just an absurd fantasy held by an alarming number of neckbearded alpha bros. It implies you support the patriarchy. I know you don't. But I didn't know that from the community name, I learned that by reading the explanation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The name isn't new, it comes from the same place as women's lib, afaik the concept of Mens Lib has been around since the 70s. We all want to be free of harmful and unnecessary gender stereotypes. r/menslib was a great subreddit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's intersectionailty?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had the same question opening this thread so I googled it.

the interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender as they apply to a given individual or group, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What this means in this context is considering the viewpoints coming from many different groups--people of different races, religions, disabilities, neurodivergence, etc., so issues that affect men with disabilities, for example, are as important as issues that affect men without disabilities. They don't get ignored or sidelined in favor of more mainstream conversations.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I didn't participate in the sub much but I did appreciate having a that view come in my feed here and there. And without having to invade a women's space.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This was a good sub, glad to see it here

[–] mysoulishome 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see one post that is 3 hours old and all the rest are over 6 months old. Any idea why?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Just a fairly inactive community. Was hoping to breathe a little life into it with this post.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]

[–] fubo 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bad bot. Bot should notice when the post also contains a link in its preferred format.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It has been fixed now, sorry for the inconvenience!

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