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[–] Noxvento 289 points 11 months ago (13 children)

And I axed Netflix. So we're even.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Yea I tried signing up to Netflix again since they had added the new plans and ads. Didn't last more than the first/initial month/payment. What hot garbage that experience was. The 90s experience of having a cable person come over and install something would have been more user friendly. They lost a lot of good will from me as a customer that day, I'm not sure I'll ever go back.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

I'm keeping them for my kids until that password thing actually happens, then I am gone.

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[–] [email protected] 215 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Generally it's agreed the best way to stop piracy is by offering a more convenient alternative. I generally for example don't pirate video games available on Steam. With streaming services being so disjoint and expensive now I've gone back to pirating, at least with cable you can bundle channels.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I buy steam games, even ones I've already pirated, for a few reasons.

  • Quick and easy downloads

  • Seamless updates

  • Almost all my other purchased games in one place.

  • Cloud saves

  • Durability, just knowing my games will be available to download on my next PC for the foreseeable future.

And I pirate just about everything I watch mainly because I'm not willing to play musical subscriptions to watch the shows I want to see at the end of a long day.

If the film industry had a service that offered a similar experience to a Plex share, I'd pay quite a bit for it. But instead they have this system designed to extract maximum value from every viewer, and I'm tired of it.

Gabe Newell was right on the money when he said piracy is a service issue, not a price issue.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

To add onto this, when someone who can't afford something pirates something, there is no lost sale because there never was a sale there to begin with. It didn't take any money away from the company since they were never going to see any money from that person.

With that said, the only piracy I partake in is for archival purposes, and like you I buy Steam games regardless because it's too convenient like you said.

[–] filister 12 points 11 months ago

And if you really like a game, why not supporting their devs

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yep, and when netflix took off piracy took a dive because of how good it was. Then every studio decided they wanted their piece of the streaming pie so pulled all their content off netflix and released their own streaming service, so now we're basically back to having to pay $100 a month to get access to everything, just like we were with cable before netflix changed the game. Shockingly, piracy has shot up again.

These companies are so stupid and greedy.

The only games I'll pirate are ones that are no longer available to buy, because what else am I supposed to do?

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[–] islandofcaucasus 23 points 11 months ago (12 children)

at least with cable you can bundle channels

For about the same price as it currently costs to bundle all the major streaming platforms. Plus, cable never had anything near the amount of content we have now on streaming.

I think people who compare cable to streaming don't remember what it was like before streaming

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[–] bloopinator 20 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I think a much better comparison than Steam would be Spotify.

I use Plex for all my movies and TV shows for the same reasons you mentioned. All my stuff can be in one place instead of having to pay for Netflix, Hulu, Peacock, Disney+, HBO Max, Amazon Prime, and whatever other fucking shit is out there.

Plex also supports music libraries, but I don't use that feature. Why? Because Spotify has literally 99.9% of all the music I want to listen to, and aside from maybe like Garth Brooks, the other 0.1% is on Youtube. Spotify did it right by just having a basic service that you can pay for and get everything you want. If I had to subscribe to Spotify, Tidal, Napster (Still a thing I guess?), and 4 other services just to access all the music I listen to, I'd go back to piracy.

With Spotify slowly starting to reach a limit in subscribers, it's unfortunately only a matter of time until they start pulling what Netflix is doing and finding new ways to get money from customers.

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[–] RogueSensei 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Gabe Newall said himself that piracy is never a price problem, but a service problem.

[–] SirYeet 5 points 11 months ago

That's such a simple yet legendary quote.... moreso with each passing decade

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[–] bandario 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

best way to stop piracy is by offering a more convenient alternative. I generally for example don’t pirate video games available on Steam

I have towed this line for years. Recently Battlefield 2042 was available on steam for a great price so I snapped it up. I'd played it at release via a 1 month trial of EA play and it was absolute trash.

The game is totally fixed! The problem I have, is that I bought it on steam...and it forces me to install and keep myself logged in to the EA app anyway. It fails to launch the game every single time. I have to reboot my computer, manually log out of EA and log back in. It is an absolute shitfight, because EA gargle balls all day.

My point is, I bought the game on steam and I got absolutely duped. I'm all for a bigger library, but not if it means I have to install and use the other crappy apps anyway. Such a disappointment, I won't be so quick to buy on steam anymore unless they implement a great big flashing red warning that the game is not actually on steam at all.

[–] stonehopper 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They do put the warning when a game needs a 3rd party launcher tho?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also stopped pirating games when steam came around. And I stopped pirating shows and movies with the rise of streaming services. Now though, I'm looking into standing up a media server.

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[–] givesomefucks 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You still can...

I think Hulu has a decent bundle with Disney, and Paramount with Showtime isn't bad.

That's like 4 for 20 bucks. And lots of cell plans come with one free. So it wouldn't be hard to get a lot of options for 20-40, which is still way cheaper than cable.

Netflix is just starting to get real expensive. If they'd have kept some of their originals from the last couple years I wouldn't think of canceling, but since they cancel those shows a week after a season drops, I'll probably drop Netflix soon.

[–] pizzatime 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

still asking too much, I'll keep sailing the seas if that's how much it costs. Plex and jellyfin currently fill this role for free

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i have crappy internet and there's no way to preload a movie with netflix so the service is useless to me. i have to torrent

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[–] [email protected] 197 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I cancelled Netflix last month and had only kept it that long for family members.

After cancelling, I got a welcome back email because they’re apparently happy to let anyone logged in reactivate the subscription…

So I contacted them again to cancel, get a refund and ask what happened.

Then I decided I wanted to remove my card details from the account, but apparently you can only do that by contacting support…

So they think it’s okay to let anyone restart the subscription from a TV without entering a password, but they’ll make you contact support to remove card details…

[–] Crackhappy 74 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

Only if you plan to never do business with them ever again. I did that for a ps4 game on the PlayStation store that didn't work with no refunds, and Sony locked down my account until I paid them that money. Pretty sure they warned that next time they won't be so nice. Pretty fucked up.

[–] ilickfrogs 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Just about everywhere does that. People love throwing around the charge back option on the internet but it often fucked you over. Some companies use 3rd party payment processors so it can not only ban you from the company you charged back but also anything else using that processor.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

@ilickfrogs

@prole

I use privacy.com, free service, let's you create a virtual card for each subscription, then pause or cancel a card.

This way if I cancel Netflix I can also pause the card, if they try and bill be it'd be processed as a failed transaction.

Free teir only let's you make 6 cards / month but after a couple months you should be able to get everything moved over.

(Also cards are locked to the vendor so if the card gets compromised it can't be used anywhere else)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Only time I ever did a chargeback like that was from a health app with virtual doctor visit. App was so bad that I wasn't able to communicate with the person due to crashes every time you type a letter and attachments crashing that they left the call. Took like 4 months but my bank sided with me. Fortunately if they ban me from that app I don't think much is lost lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah doing a charge back is a last resort and should only be used when you've actually been screwed over and you don't mind the account/service that you're doing the charge back against being permanently banned.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

Change the password before you deactivate again?

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 11 months ago

I was a Netflix DVD subscriber before they released a Wii streaming disc then started streaming Netflix back when it was glorious with all your favorite shows. Eventually I downgraded to the cheap $8 plan for a single user at 1080p resolution which was fine - my old television is still 1080p native resolution.

Then they quietly raised the price.... and dropped the resolution to 720p without telling me. Finally I had enough - after more than a decade I finally cancelled my Netflix account last year and haven't looked back.

I don't miss their "netflix originals" which only last for one or two seasons before getting canned because netflix needs more viewership to justify the investments.

Truth be told, I don't watch must television (or even youtube) in general - I have better things to do with my time than vegetating on a couch watching a tv screen.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can I offer you a free tier in these trying times?

[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

When asked for comment a Senior Executive, who asked not to be named, responded, "At that price point we're rather have them pirate the shows than have to deal with the customer service and billing headaches."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago
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