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[–] [email protected] 110 points 4 months ago (2 children)

For newer GPUs from the Turing, Ampere, Ada Lovelace, or Hopper architectures, NVIDIA recommends switching to the open-source GPU kernel modules.

So 20-series onwards.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yes. Everything older is unsupported in terms of the new Linux stuff anymore. Planned obsolescence yk?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

Well their proprietary driver works fine for older hardware.

[–] mrvictory1 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Yep! My pre-built 1660 super i got years ago is still chugging along amazingly as a streaming device for my steam deck.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Does this mean upcoming distros can have the drivers inbuilt? NVIDIA Cards working out of the box? I'm Out of the Loop.

[–] just_another_person 30 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This has never been an issue. Nothing stops any distro from installing the DKMS drivers at install time. You also have the nouveau driver that can be installed by default if you don't want to ask users to agree to Nvidia's license for proprietary driver use.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You also have the nouveau driver that can be installed by default...

And pretty soon, NVK!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

NVK is already usable, performancr isn't 100% of the proprietary driver but I play Overwatch on NVK at 165FPS on my RTX3070 laptop a lot, low settings but very playable. This is with an Optimus configuration (VRR Freesync panel on AMD iGPU) in GNOME Wayland.

[–] warmaster 2 points 4 months ago

oh wow, I have a 3080 TI desktop GPU, I should try it with Overwatch 2 + NVK.

Also: Thanks for OpenRGB. I love it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Wasn't nova the new driver?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Never heard of that one. NVK is a brand new open source driver that uses features of the RTX series to reverse engineer Nvidia drivers. According to the project team, those features make it much easier than before, but it limits the scope to RTX series cards and onward.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

This is a good discussion: https://old.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/1cqcnr3/whats_the_difference_between_nvidia_open_source/

Essentially, Nova is a kernel level driver and not user level

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (10 children)

But apparently people always had issues with NVidia graphics cards on Linux, no matter what driver it is. And the fact that even Mint and Ubuntu don't install the drivers by default tells that there indeed are some legal issues with it.

[–] fhein 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What kind of issues do they have? I've used gtx970, 1080, rtx3080 and now 3090 and I've never had any issues worth mentioning.

[–] TheGrandNagus 6 points 4 months ago

I had all kinds of issues with my 1080 Ti that eventually prompted me to "downgrade" to a 5700XT.

Artefacts, distro updates breaking my system because the graphics driver didn't like it, stuttering, crashes, flickering, extremely poor Wayland support. It made me hate using my PC to be honest.

By all accounts with the newest driver it's basically all resolved, and I'm glad to see Nvidia is finally taking steps to open up their graphics stack, so we're headed in a good direction

...but people really aren't lying when they've been saying Nvidia's Linux support has been substandard.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Not everyone has the issues. I guess they depend on other hardware, driver version, distro, DE etc

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So, it's just the philosophy of FOSS stopping distros from using proprietary?

[–] just_another_person 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what distro you've used that was unable to install Nvidia drivers as part of the general OS install process, but it would have been due to needing the user to agree to the proprietary driver's EULA.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm using Mint. It doesn't install proprietary Nvidia drivers along the system install. But provides a slick Driver manager where you download proprietary Drivers without any hassle. It does include nouveau during install though.

[–] just_another_person 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, this is what I'm explaining. They can't LEGALLY just install it for you without you agreeing to the license, so there needs to be a prompt for that before doing so.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

But, what about some Distros have NVIDIA Versions, Which come with proprietary Drivers? Like Nobara, Bazzite, Pop OS..?

They don't have legal issues?

I think its because the country they are based on. I also heard that VLC has lots of codecs (even proprietary ones), because it's origin country doesn't restrict them to use proprietary codecs.

[–] just_another_person 1 points 4 months ago

I'm not aware of any distros catering to specific locales in their installers, but maybe that's a thing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Well, what I really wonder is if because the kernel can include it, if this will make an install more agnostic. Like literally pull my disk out of a gaming nvidia machine, and plug it into my AMD machine with full working graphics. If so this is good for me since I use a usb-c nvme ssd for my os to boot from on my work and home machines and laptops for when I'm not worrying. All three currently have nvidia cards and this works ok. I have some games to chill and take a break. My works core OS for work MDM etc unmodified. I like it that way.

I realise this is not a terribly useful case, but I could see it for graphically optimised VM migrations too not that I have many. Less work in transitioning gives greater flexibility.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

this works ok

People said that the new 555 Nvidia drivers works good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Like literally pull my disk out of a gaming nvidia machine, and plug it into my AMD machine with full working graphics.

This should work already, i switched from nvidia to amd this year by swapping the cards and removing the nvidia drivers some time later.

I guess it's because the drivers only apply to their specific hardware, so no problems having amd and nvidia drivers present at the same time.

[–] AProfessional 1 points 4 months ago

The kernel drivers were never an issue, but userspace drivers fixed this many years ago with glvnd.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

I stand with AMD

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

nvidia transitions fully? that's all i need to hear, good job nvidia 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

[–] solrize 22 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] bruhduh 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Use this bro

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

All the proprietary kernel stuff has moved to firmware.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Forgive the stupid question, but what does this mean, exactly? Does it mean Nvidia support on par with that for AMD? Will this enable a release of Bazzite that supports Steam Gaming Mode for Nvidia cards?

[–] AProfessional 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It means it will break less on kernel updates. I don’t think it fundamentally changes much else for gaming.

[–] mrvictory1 8 points 4 months ago

Nvidia, fix power management on open drivers. Then we are talking.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Cries in 1080 ti

[–] RealFknNito 4 points 4 months ago

Linux using proprietary drivers always feels like a plane using a transmission to me.

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