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[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 months ago (12 children)

Assuming proper training and ammunition, they're perfectly capable for hunting small to medium game such as rabbits, coyotes, tyrants, wild hogs, and whitetail deer.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (25 children)

I don't think some people know how much damage a pack of wild hogs can cause to crops and farmland in short order. If it wasn't going to be an AR-15 keeping them off the farm it would be another intermediate or higher caliber semi-automatic rifle that accepts standard magazines. Everyone want's to laugh at that excuse until the farmer has a bad season and has to sell his land to Bill Gates or Chinese investors, they don't exactly make large margins.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

You'd really want something bigger for hogs and deer. Never known anyone who hunts deer with .223. You really want one of options in thirty caliber.

While I'm sure someone hunts rabbits with a rifle you'd really use a shotgun or a really small rifle for them.

.223 is a good coyote round though. There are better coyote rounds available and there are better coyote rifles in .223.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

.300 Blackout for hogs.

You can get an AR-15 chambered for this, or easily swap a few parts if you already have one.

AR-15's are popular because it's an easily modifiable platform. It's not the best for any one thing, but it's pretty good at a variety.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (3 children)

People joke about the shooter "missing", but at a few hundred feet away, a 2" miss is clearly within the influence of wind.

Trump got extremely lucky. I don't think this was the result of a poor shot.

[–] Maggoty 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

He fired 8 shots. It was poor shooting.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

i thought it was 2 or 3 and the rest of the shots heard are the secret service snipers

[–] Maggoty 7 points 5 months ago

Yes. 23 hours ago the news reported 8 shots. Now they're reporting 2-4.

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[–] chiliedogg 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Most people using an AR buy cheapo 115 grain FMJ to shoot from their $600 AR. Cheap ammo from a cheap AR will group at 5-6 inches shooting with a bipod from a bench with a minute between shots with no wind at that range.

Throw in wind, stress, sub-optimal support, and rapid fire and it's a very difficult shot.

Which is good and bad. Good in that assassinations should fail. Bad in that it means this asshole was shooting up a crowd.

[–] Maggoty 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Are you grouping that at 100 yards? Because I think your barrel is screwed up if that's true. 2-3 inches on a mass market AR is common from a controlled setup. Of course most people are not as accurate as their gun so if they're shooting then yeah it can be wild.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What's that? I don't think Trump can 'ear you.

Too soon?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Not soon enough.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I mean I think I'd say it was more the result of poor preparation than anything. I think most places are saying he had like, 3 shots or somewhere around there, and apparently his rifle had no optic on it at all, which is kind of an insane idea at that distance. Which I think also maybe lends credence to the idea that this was just some impulse decision rather than a prepared kind of thing. I don't think it's that hard of a shot to make in general, even given the single opportunity that you're going to be working with, I've hit soda cans with .22s at similar ranges. You barely have to take into account windage or holdover and I haven't seen any evidence of heavy wind on the day of, really.

So, I dunno, I think it's probably just an idiot kid killing himself in like, some elaborate suicide by cop or something. or just a dumb groyper, jury's still out.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ar-15s are potentially ok hunting rifles for large birds and small mammals although there are better options out there.

The main argument I've heard for an AR besides the larp thing is that it's easy to find compatible accessories because it's a popular "open source" common platform.

But honestly any hunter who is serious about hunting with .223 probably has a better gun that they hunt with.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Its also cheap and can be handled by most people of all sizes. Its probably the best overall gun to own for most purposes.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

They are good hunting rifles for feral hogs actually, 30 round mags included.

Plus, banning certain magazine sizes or particular models of rifle isn't really going to fix anything, but things like universal background checks would probably help.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (17 children)

Truly "Universal" background checks are just a way of criminalizing the overwhelming majority of "transfers" between known and trusted parties. We don't need this sort of "universal" background check. This approach is only intended to cast FUD on ownership.

The current law basically says it is illegal to "knowingly" transfer a gun to a prohibited person. The problem is that there is no reliable, publicly-accessible means for a private individual to "know" that an individual is prohibited. NICS checks are not available to the public; they are only available to FFL dealers. So long as the recipient doesn't disclose their prohibited status, it is basically impossible to prove a private seller "knew" the buyer was prohibited.

The solution should be obvious: establish a means of publicly accessing NICS. Have the buyer perform a check in themselves, and provide the seller with a verification code to securely and confidentially access the results of that check.

With that access in place, a seller can know, and can legally be expected to know the status of a buyer. The "knowingly" criteria can now be presumed to have been met, and willful ignorance on the part of the seller is no longer a viable defense.

This approach makes it possible to prosecute 100% of private sellers who transfer to felons, without criminalizing any innocent transfers. It accomplishes every legitimate purpose of "universal" background checks, without any of the harmful, "unintended" FUD that truly universal checks would impose.

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[–] Jumpingspiderman 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

TBH, I would not trust a .223 to take down a hog intent on fucking me up. If feral hogs were a threat, I'd want a semi-auto .308 or similar larger more powerful round.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (35 children)

Its a good thing the second amendment doesn't just include a clause for hunting! People often forget it says

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

[–] Maggoty 13 points 5 months ago (17 children)

Indeed it doesn't protect hunting or self defence at all. Only the collective defense.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

For the record I would rather 45 lose and continue to drag the GOP down than have a quick death.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'd rather he rots in a state jail for the rest of his life, and give him the same standard of care as every other inmate. No special treatment. If he needs to be put in solitary "for his own protection" then so be it. It's the system people like him loves to protect.

To be clear, I think the US treatment of prisoners is inhumane and bordering on criminal (and all too often crossing said border) and the whole penal system needs drastic change and made entirely nonprofit, and the constitution needs another Ammendment because the 13th was a mistake.

But that's not the world we live in, and the people who crafted this world should be forced to live in it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That would be so nice. Wish we focused on rehabilitation instead of retaliation in our criminal justice system. Its such an ass backwards system.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I love seeing prison photos from other countries that show how well prisoners can be treated while still being in prison. Countries with extremely low recidivism.

And there are plenty of people I know who would see that and balk, because "that's being too soft"

I've had people insist that stronger punishment over rehabilitation is what you need, and ignore my bringing up that there's decades and decades of data that shows otherwise.

At best, the harsh punishments serve as a deterrent to other people doing similar things that might result in similar punishment, but that just creates new and sneaker crimes and criminals. It's better to rehabilitate, help people turn their poor choices around, and eliminate the cause of the problems that led to the crime in the first place.

But that's "too much work" so might as well not even try, right? As we all know, the light bulb famously was invented on the first couple tries.

[–] Jumpingspiderman 11 points 5 months ago

I would prefer Trump to have a long and miserable life in prison. Preferably in an underground cell in SuperMax somewhere. For his own protection of course.

[–] mojofrododojo 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

hunting human rifles.

let's be honest, it was designed as a lightweight emergency carbine made of space aged materials. 60 years later we're arguing if the founding fathers meant bump stocks and cmags when they said well regulated militia.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

AR15's

We don't pluralize with an apostrophe. English harder, please.

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