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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Stamets to c/tenforward
 

I said a while back that I was gonna change my name due to my obscene displeasure with the final season but... nah. I'm Stamets. I love my lil gay boy and I love his lil gay family and I love the ship with the weirdly long nacelles.

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[–] negativenull 84 points 1 week ago (24 children)
[–] samus12345 15 points 1 week ago

LD being canon takes away some of the sting of Disco being canon. Since it's so far in the future the last 3 seasons can also easily be ignored.

[–] CptEnder 8 points 1 week ago

As it should be.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (18 children)

Stamets is great. I love him.

I love a LOT of the characters on discovery, but I just found the story arcs it ended up telling very... Overblown.

Did the disco really have to save the literal galaxy every season? And skip across time so it could be placed into a pivotal role in every era?

Not a single time, not once, did the disco feel like just another ship in the fleet. It was always THE ship.

Season one is still the best IMO, with the disco being a secret research program hijacked by Lorca for his own purposes. The story felt right. But then the ship and crew just kept being extraordinary not just every season, but in every tiny moment.

I really love all the worldbuilding in Trek, but in disco that always played second fiddle to whatever crisis was going on, which the disco would then inevitably resolve. It was yawn-inducing to me.

Even as I adored lots of the small stuff the series did with the style, characters, and world.

Like Stamets!

[–] CheeryLBottom 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Your comments put into words how I felt about the show. It was one major calamity after another. I might go back and finish because of Stamets, Culber (love Wilson Cruz), and everyone else.

I do like Strange New Worlds a lot. It is less frenetic

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[–] elephantium 45 points 1 week ago (23 children)

Ah, canon, or the word we use to describe which made-up story is more real than the other made-up stories!

[–] DarkCloud 14 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Anything I personally don't enjoy isn't Canon.

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[–] FlatFootFox 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Modern Star Trek has its ups and downs. I’m just glad there’s so much of it. Discovery can have a weird National Treasure season, and Picard can have a bumpy Covid year, but there’s probably something interesting going on in Lower Decks or Strange New Worlds. (Or vice versa.)

I’m just happy characters like Stamets weren’t a one off experiment. It’s delightful to see queer folk continue to pop up in the main cast of other shows.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This analogy doesn't work because Lower Decks never misses, making it the only star trek with no bad seasons

[–] FlatFootFox 9 points 1 week ago

Lower Decks never misses unless you’re one of those folks with the Trek equivalent of the cilantro soap gene who just can’t get on board with an animated comedy show.

[–] aeronmelon 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have two opinions that have not changed since 2016:

First, Discovery, as Star Trek and as science fiction in general, is terrible. Great ideas destroyed by some of the worst writing and direction in the industry.

I will not be taking any questions.

And second, in spite of that, Paul Stamets as a character is one of my favorite in Star Trek. (After the shrooms mellowed him out, of course.)

I'm glad you're sticking with your nick, it suits you and it's a good one to have.

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[–] FlyingSquid 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Doesn’t hurt as much as LD confirming that Threshold wasn’t just Tom Paris’ fever dream.

[–] samus12345 14 points 1 week ago

LD takes sadistic pleasure in making sure to confirm all the worst episodes are canon.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hell yeah dude!

All the characters in disco are amazing, it’s the main plot that gets ridiculous sometimes.

Don’t let bad writing ruin a great cast!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

I mean i'm not a fan of the series as a whole but i'm absolutely here for psycho dwight harry mud

[–] Tattorack 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hurts fans and disrespects canon. There's a reason why it abbreviates so nicely to STD.

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[–] Crackhappy 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I like a lot of the characters. I just dislike the plot and writing. Stamets fucks.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

i feel like the answer to what is and isn't canon can be summed up with;

Why do the klingons look different?

They always looked like that, you just didn't notice before.

Canon has always been squishy. The Eugenics Wars takes place in the nineteen-nineties... oh but didn't Voyager's crew visit our nineties? Plus, DISCO had that Elon Musk name drop.

...so the timeline floats up as the present day does. Canon is just a vague sense of the things everyone agrees on.

Personally,


I really dislike the fungus engine. You expect me to believe the Federation developed instant, consequence free warp but gave up on using it on literally any other ship? Silly. Very silly. Oh, but the precursor civilization doing a galaxy wide Genesis project is somehow an unimaginable technological feat.

And yes, I know STE covers the klingon flu. I just think They always looked like that was more elegant.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Well I haven't even looked at it yet. The feedback of it from you guys is so bad I started deep space nine a second time before I went to discovery.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you haven't seen Babylon 5, give that a shot. It's great. It's gritty like the good episodes of ds9 with none of the fluff.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I really enjoyed most of Discovery. Especially all the genuine queer representation, that shit was overdue. And Michael is a hell of a character, great but flawed and so on.

I just wish the spore drive didn't require the ship to spin around and make silly noises. That alone is responsible for a good 50% of the cringing I did while watching the series.

Doesn't hold a candle to DS9 in most respects tho, which I started rewatching after getting two episodes into the final season of Discovery

[–] homesweethomeMrL 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

AAaaargghh! Medical emergency!

Give me 20 units of TOS immediately

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I'll prescribe you 2 hours of Benjamin Sisko's e nun ci ation. S.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fine but I want a bottle of McCoy's scotch with it.

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[–] satanmat 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Stamets. Both you and the character rock.
The first time I tried to watch D I wasn’t sure; but the second time through he has really grown on me.
You and the stuff you’ve said on here as well. You seem like a hoopy frood

[–] Stamets 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

<3

Discovery isn't for everyone but that's fine. Not every Trek is going to hit you right. Not everyone is going to enjoy every piece of media. Some things are made for other groups of people. Discovery happens to fall in that category but it's just as much a part of Trek as DS9 and TNG.

The Trek universe exists with so much diversity, from the people to the planets. Why can't the shows?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm doing a DISCO rewatch right now. It is much better on a second run than I remember it being when it first came out.

[–] Stamets 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had the same reaction in all honesty. I fucking hated it on first release. The klingons looked weird and most of them spoke it HORRIBLY with the giant fake teeth. I thought the ship looked odd as hell and Lorca was grating. Abandoned it like 5 or 6 episodes in. Came back a year or something later when they started season 2. Said fuck it. The trailer for Season 2 looks interesting. I'll rewatch Season 1 and catch up. Wasn't nearly as bad as I remembered. I was just so upset by all the 'newness' of it that I couldn't look past it. It wasn't the Trek I knew. Everything about it was SO STRANGE and felt so off but the more I watched it the more I recognized the Trek that's actually there. Just realized that it's Trek with a new coat of paint that is not the greatest color. Season 2 came around and they repainted again with a brighter color. Was still new but the old was much more recognizable.

I've had the same reaction to a lot of stuff. Tennant switching to Smith fucked me up. I hated Daniel Craig on first watch, although now I find the hatred of him to be unjustified. The writing of his movies? More so. There's a few other examples I'm sure but in each one it was just something new that put me off so much I couldn't bring myself to accept it. I think a lot of us fans have that reaction with new stuff.

But as I'm getting older the more I realize that the new should be embraced. Being stagnant isn't any better for media than it is for us or water. Movement and progress and trying new things should always be what we strive for. Even if the attempts don't always work, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Discovery may be canon, but I don't believe that the writers care all that much. They've certainly not made any effort to make it integrate with the rest of Trek.

Lower Decks on the other hand positively revels and the fact that it's canon.

I certainly know which is the more enjoyable of the shows as a result.

[–] Stamets 15 points 1 week ago

They’ve certainly not made any effort to make it integrate with the rest of Trek.

wut

It takes place between ENT and TOS and then in the far future. In every case they've done everything they can to have it fit with the timeline. They brought back Pike and Number One, actually giving her a name after 50 odd years. Then in the future they elaborate on the Romulan/Vulcan relationship and Spocks impact on the Unification he was seeking for in previous Treks. They honor every single actor and character they can by naming ships after passed actors or after characters. They build on to that lore. So yes. They do make an enormous effort to integrate it with the rest of Trek.

You can not like it, that's fine, but saying that they've not made any effort is an outright lie.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Disco certainly had it's up and maybe a bit more downs, but it has some of the best characters. Stamets is great (so please keep the name), and so is Suru. And the relationship between Suru and Michael is one of Treks best imo. And once we got over the speed bumps, Stamets and Culver warmed my icy gay heart when they were on screen together. Tilly and Reno were also great characters.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I found that I enjoy Discocery a lot more watching it a slow pace, about 2 episodes a month. Otherwise, it really dies start to feel like the Michael Burnam hour for me. At a slow pace, it at least feels like it evolves less around one character - possibly since I gave the story time to relax I think. I am enjoying it overall, but Ia mid way through season 4 and will likely just not finish it.

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