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Should Democrats stay the course or replace Biden? | Robert Reich (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The question anyone suggesting replacing Biden needs to answer is: Who?

Pretty much the entire electorate needs to know who the person is. They need to be somewhat popular. They need no real scandals.

That's just the bare minimum to complete with Biden. Then you have to answer: can they be popular enough, or overcome Biden's weaknesses enough to overcome incumbency bias?

That's not easy to answer but if the answer isn't a resounding Yes, then replacing him is a mistake.

And the candidate has to be popular enough that Biden is willing to stand down and support them. Because he has pledged delegates and several primaries already.

Overall I think this would be a mistake. There just aren't any good alternatives. And one bad debate isn't a scandal. This is letting the Fox News machine dictate how we think about Biden. Which is always a mistake.

[–] just_another_person 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Michelle Obama.

Kinda joking. Kinda not. Seems to be universally beloved, and has direct knowledge of the office and job.

[–] PugJesus 3 points 5 months ago

Seems to be universally beloved,

Not outside of deeply Democratic circles. And as much as I wish we could rely solely on right-thinking Democrats, we need a majority of voters.

[–] eran_morad 1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Look, I’ll vote D no matter what. But Michelle Obama has basically no relevant qualifications.

[–] CharlesDarwin 4 points 5 months ago

Okay. Still, compared to donnie, I'd vote for a carved pumpkin with D next to the name.

[–] just_another_person 1 points 5 months ago

This is a face off against Donald Trump, friend. WTF are you even talking about?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Preemptive: take what I'm saying with a heavy grain of salt, obviously and as always.

The true liberals will vote Dem no matter what - Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, hell this group would vote for Pete Davidson at this point!

The true conservatives... same, mostly. Unless the liberals advanced someone like Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney, who may be able to chip into that? (This is when we finally stop pretending that liberals have any options in this race, midway between neoliberalism and outright fascism.) Bc just like Dem != liberal, but differently, Repub != Trump-er.

There are probably like 5-100 people in the middle somewhere, but bc they live in swing states somehow determine the course of the entire nation. Would this be a time to be risky and advance AOC - as a young, passionate, genuine person, since the votes of neither liberals nor conservatives are likely to be affected either way? Except the old money probably worries too much that they could not control her, whereas both Trump and Biden have been vetted in this regard.

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[–] Nobody 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

The entire Democratic Party is sleeping on Andy Beshear. He checks all the boxes and then some. Young, smart, progressive, popular in a deep red state, etc.

He should at least be considered for VP.

[–] sunbrrnslapper 2 points 5 months ago

Oh yeah! He would be an excellent choice (if not this cycle, maybe in the future).

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Sadly, Biden’s stiff, halting, withered delivery, coupled with his slack-jawed expression and frozen stare when not trying to form sentences, made him seem not just old but on the decline.

I have a hard time seeing how this could happen, unless Jill Biden, along with others of his closest and most trusted advisors, and Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Hakeem Jeffries, all teamed up and told him he must exit the race.

The only people I can think of as possible nominees are Kamala Harris, Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Shapiro, Wes Moore, Gavin Newsom and (my personal favorite) Sherrod Brown.

Yet, if it’s not Biden, a failure to nominate Harris might upset lots of Black people, women and younger voters.

All of the national, state and local party machinery, advertising, and internet capacity now designed to get out the vote for Biden would have to be totally redesigned.

But he can also reveal something else, as he did at the debate – a man who in many respects seems older than 81 years, who has trouble walking and speaking, and who, at least in those times and moments, doesn’t seem to stand much chance of being re-elected president of the United States – even when his opponent is a twice-impeached convicted felon, pathological liar and dangerous sociopath.

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