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Police in New York shoot and kill 13-year-old holding a pellet gun, authorities say (www.pbs.org)

submitted 4 months ago by gedaliyah to c/news

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An officer in upstate New York shot and killed a teen fleeing while pointing a replica gun, police said Saturday.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Hey I'll give them some credit with that headline.

Not "13-year-old killed in police shooting" or "a 13-year old died during a police interaction" etc. Nope, they fully went with "Police in New York shoot and kill 13-year-old." Thank you, PBS.

Also -

The shooting happened Friday night after officers in Utica stopped two youths at around 10:18 p.m.

One of them fled and pointed what appeared to be a handgun at the officers, according to a statement by the Utica Police Department.

I'll be interested to see when that footage is released and what it contains.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The department said it is also aware of a video circulating on social media of the incident but warned that it does not portray the incident in its entirety.

I have a feeling the officially released footage might also not portray the incident in its entirety..

[–] ripcord 8 points 4 months ago

If it shows a kid running and pointing what appeared to be a handgun, then that'll be a pretty big part of the incident...

[–] NegativeInf 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Watch it actually be 3 kids with Arizona Iced Teas and Skittles.

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[–] gedaliyah 98 points 4 months ago (5 children)

"I'd rather kill 100 innocent kids than retreat from one dangerous criminal." /s

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago

You misspelled "then".

[–] NegativeInf 27 points 4 months ago

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Yeah, like what are the stats on 13 year olds actually shooting cops vs. just having toy guns? Like at some point you gotta realize it's probably not actually a threat and proceed more cautiously.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Fuck if it doesn't seem true.

[–] meco03211 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"¿Por qué no los dos?" - Uvalde cops.

[–] Iheartcheese 50 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Shame he didn't have a school to hide in

[–] NegativeInf 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[–] Iheartcheese 9 points 4 months ago

Yeah it stung me too lol

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

One of them fled and pointed what appeared to be a handgun at the officers, according to a statement by the Utica Police Department.

If the footage confirms this, it makes sense that the officer shot him. Don't point guns or gun replicas at people.

But they were fleeing and pointed a gun at him? Either the reporting is shitty or it did not happen like the police say it happened.

[–] Frozengyro 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

You can run and point a gun backwards/shoot in their general direction.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Patsy Parisi over here.

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[–] TheGoldenGod 36 points 4 months ago

Fleeing, and pointing a pellet gun? Not sure I buy the story, based on that alone.

[–] blady_blah 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The bystander video is shown here: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1188314849017274

Video shows three cops chasing a suspect. The first cop tackles the kid and proceeds to punch him. The second cop run up with gun drawn and shots the kid in less than a second while the first cop is still busy wrestling.

IMHO, the 2nd cop's shooting was incredibly unsafe since he was shooting a suspect wrestling another cop from less than 1 foot away. As far as I can tell, the cop basically ran up to the kid, put his gun to his head, and pulled the trigger. You can not tell from THIS video if there was a gun in the kids hand, but I can't believe the first cop would not have tackled him if there was! There is no way this is a good shooting.

[–] Psythik 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your link is broken BTW.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Link: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1188314849017274

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If the police were also armed with pellet guns, this never would have happened.

[–] gedaliyah 21 points 4 months ago

The only way to stop a bad guy with pellets is a good guy with pellets.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I should point out that pellet guns do not have a 'Day-Glo Safety Orange/Red' tip.

As they do eject actually harmful projectiles; they look much like other guns until you get close to them. Reasonable parenting would have included making sure the child understood that under no circumstances do you point that at people.

That doesn't make this less of a tragedy, but it does provide some context to the situation. Cops are, sadly, trained out of necessity not to try to discern when on the receiving end of any gun barrel. While it's difficult to expect a child to know not to point weapons at police; doing so is in fact dangerous.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Outcome is unfortunate but pointing a gun, replica or not, at an officer has always been a very bad idea. Nothing is different now vs 30 years ago.

Do we as a society really need reminding don't point weapons at police? Don't do it folks.

[–] Nurse_Robot 59 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Your flaw is that you're taking the police at their word. Why the fuck would a 13 year old point a pellet gun at the cops?

If I see footage that corroborates their story I'll believe it. Until then, I'm assuming the murderer is also a liar. ACAB

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Do we as a society really need reminding don’t point weapons at police? Don’t do it folks.

Do we need a reminder that kids aren't mini-adults, and they do stupid things sometimes? In any case, I'll believe he pointed it at them when I see a video of it.

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[–] frickineh 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I can see that. I guess where I have an issue is that the old white guy who shot up a Planned Parenthood a few years back was taken alive (and he's far from the only example) and it's like, why is it that they can negotiate and talk guys like that down but don't bother to even attempt to de-escalate with brown kids? Or brown adults, really.

[–] ynazuma 5 points 4 months ago

Kid was Asian. Police violence on Asians is comparable to caucasians

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Police are allowed to point weapons at you and not expect return fire. It's not considered self defense if you return fire even if the police burst into your home in the middle of the night and don't announce themselves. 2nd amendment rights are simply an advertisement for the gun industry to sell more weapons and ammunition and has nothing to do with self defense especially from the state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Actually Breonna Taylor's boyfriend was acquitted for firing at them as self-defense. In very specific situations and with suitably embarrassing incidents for the police you might be able to avoid having the entire weight of the justice system come down on you. Assuming you survive the encounter in the first place.

[–] hibsen 4 points 4 months ago

He was not acquitted.

The charges were dropped once the massive pile of police incompetence met the shitstorm of public scrutiny.

First the charges were dismissed without prejudice so the prosecutor could dig and see if he could find some way to make it Walker's fault that cops killed his girlfriend. Then, when he couldn't (because of the aforementioned appalling incompetence), and public scrutiny didn't decrease to a point where he could quietly pressure Walker into a cell anyway, they were dismissed with prejudice.

It is important to not make shit up about this. If the public scrutiny hadn't been as intense, it is entirely possible that they would have dragged him to trial and pressured him into a plea bargain. He was lucky that the public managed to continue giving a shit for more than their usual 30-second attention span.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

I think most people would agree and understand but can't we expect a bit of common sense from the police.

This death was unnecessary but legal under our laws.

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