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An Israel offensive into Lebanon risks an Iranian military response, top US military leader says (apnews.com)

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[–] FlyingSquid 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Which is exactly what Netanyahu wants. He needs a forever war to maintain war powers so he can keep being a dictator.

[–] BeMoreCareful 2 points 2 days ago

This does seem to be his only real goal.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Hwa trying to start World War 3 to stay in power. And the US looks like they're going to let him...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

So here's the plan guys.

We let Hezbollah and Israel kill each other off, and the citizens start a new government.

One that we can be friendly with.

[–] Linkerbaan 3 points 3 days ago

If only this could all be stopped by cutting off our weapons to israel supply to escalate these Genocides with.

[+] [email protected] -45 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Nobody gives a fuck, Iran is literally supplying terrorists and Russia with weapons, iran being shown their boundaries is really necessary soon.

Iran is the main driver of the middle east problems right now.

[–] FlyingSquid 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I give a fuck. Anyone who doesn't want lots of people to die gives a fuck. Just because you don't give a fuck doesn't mean you speak for everyone else.

[+] [email protected] -33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Welcome to humanity, we do kill each other. We did for the last 12k years and we will in the future. You guys need to learn about the tolerance paradox. You tolerate the intolerant. In this case you are for letting a warmonger do whatever he wants, supporting Terrorism and supplying Russia with weapons and people for their war. YOU ARE KILLING MORE PEOPLE BY NOT DOING SOMETHING.

[–] FlyingSquid 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most of humanity has a thing called 'empathy,' wherein they care about others dying.

Also, I'm not 'letting a warmonger do whatever he wants.' I have no power to do anything about any warmongers and I doubt you do either, which is why you're complaining about it on Lemmy rather than acting. So maybe don't point fingers.

Also, I'm quite familiar with the paradox of tolerance, and that has absolutely nothing to do with people other than you caring about a war even if you say they don't. I care.

[+] [email protected] -25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Oh i do care about people dieing, that's why i want the people that are responsible to be gone... You want to leave those alone that fight against them.

Empathy is a thing that isn't really provable, you might feel bad when you kill a innocent, bit when someone charges you with a knife and you can shot him, you still do. You protect yourself and the people close to you before thinking about the person attacking you. Same thing works for countries.

[–] FlyingSquid 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh i do care about people dieing,

You literally said that nobody gives a fuck, make up your mind.

Empathy is a thing that isn’t really provable, you might feel bad when you kill a innocent, bit when someone charges you with a knife and you can shot him, you still do.

That's literally what empathy is. Innocence has nothing to do with it.

[+] [email protected] -24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nobody gives a fuck about the possibility of war in means ofnit standing in the way of Israel defending itself.

And yet innocents do die in war as collateral damage, still waaaaay better than the guys that intentionally target innocent people. Welcome to humanity again.

[–] FlyingSquid 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Again, you do not speak for anyone but yourself.

I give a fuck.

[+] [email protected] -21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You don't speak for everyone either and nobody means the majority in such a statement. The majority of humans don't give a single shit.

[–] FlyingSquid 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wasn't trying to speak for anyone but myself, so that is a ludicrous accusation, and "nobody" does not mean "the majority." If you meant "the majority," you should have said so. It would not have taken you significantly longer to type, so I don't believe your silly excuse.

Also-

The majority of humans don’t give a single shit.

Let's see your evidence. Polling numbers will work with a decent sample size. You have them, right? You wouldn't just be speaking on all of those people's behalves without knowing what they actually think, would you?

[+] [email protected] -14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaggeration

And

Can you prove that more than 1% or 2% of people on earth give a shit, most live their lifes like normal without even thinking about it.

[–] FlyingSquid 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Where you're claiming exaggeration, I'm claiming trolling. Especially when you expect me to prove something I never claimed.

[+] [email protected] -13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I claim something that doesn't have statistics from my findings, I asked you if you have opposing statistics.

I did use exaggeration as a linguistics tool.

[–] FlyingSquid 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No, you asked me to prove something I never claimed.

It is not my job to prove words you put into my mouth.

Now stop putting words into my mouth and stop speaking on behalf of others. That is trolling.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You just can't engage with flyingsquid. He's mod everywhere and baits people into silly arguments and then bans them lmao

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Honestly I’m happy that a person like FlyingSquid is a mod here. I’ve seen some cases that may have been debatable but I didn’t have full context and every time some troll like this shows up moderation seems very reasonable to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

That's good for you, I don't seek squiddy out I just peruse all a few times a day and I usually don't look at usernames but the majority of the time when I'm reading comments and the person is coming off as pedantic and petty and I look at the username... lol

[–] Belastend 2 points 2 days ago

You want those responsible gone? looks like we gotta drone strike the knesset then

[–] xenomor 2 points 3 days ago

In one form or another, this is basically the rationalization that warmongers always use to justify their own awfulness. As an American, I’ve been listening to my own country deploy this gem my entire life.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Israel is the main driver of middle eastern problems. It's existence is an abomination.

[–] Guydht 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's existence is an abomination

And that, kids, is why we have wars. The moment people with power start saying "yeah Israel should exist but also should a Palestinian state" - that's when we'll have peace.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Israel will need to be redo as Nazi Germany was redo in order for common person support its existence

The current regime must be held accountable and Israeli people need to repent.

We can't enable this shit, just look at Russia...

[–] jorp 0 points 2 days ago

I'm not sure why you think we need an apartheid colonial ethnostate at all. Nor how you expect having pockets of Palestinian state embedded like oil into water in the region that Israel controls will yield a lasting peace TBH.

two state solution sounds fair, but nations with border tension and decades of bad blood don't really get along even when simply bordering one another let alone when you have two disjoint Palestinian territories embedded in a territory that Israelis consider their promised land.

No state whose identity is ethnically or religiously defined will work in that situation.

You would need some kind of major cultural shift towards egalitarianism and away from religious and ethnic identity in that region to make that work.

[–] Linkerbaan -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

We will have peace when israel is gone. It is a Nazi state that refuses peace and exists to expand its Lebensraum.

As proven by israel refusing peace in the West Bank. There is only one aggressor.

[–] givesomefucks -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At least someone is acting rationally about how Israel's actions could lead to WW3

Brown said the U.S. continues to talk with Israeli leaders and warn against widening the conflict. He said a key message is “to think about the second order of effect of any type of operation into Lebanon, and how that might play out and how it impacts not just the region, but how it impacts our forces in regions as well.”

Pentagon officials have said that Austin has also raised concerns about a broader conflict when he spoke to Gallant in a recent phone call.

“Given the amount of rocket fire we’ve seen going from both sides of the border, we’ve certainly been concerned about that situation, and both publicly and privately have been urging all parties to restore calm along that border, and again, to seek a diplomatic solution,” said Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder, the Pentagon press secretary, last week.

[–] small44 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They are just afraid that it's going to have a massive toll on israel. They couldn't care less about what will happen to non ally countries

[–] givesomefucks 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Israel can't even genocide Gaza on their own...

If they start a war at the same time, they'll lose immediately if they don't drag America into it.

And Biden has spent 50 years saying that no matter what happens, he'll never stop or even slow support to Israel.

Iran is allied with Russia and other local governments in the 4+1 treaty, so trump would likely join against Israel.

Either way, the US is gonna be involved if it happens, which isn't a good thing.

[–] Carrolade 4 points 3 days ago

People like saying Israel can't genocide Gazans on their own. They need the US help, just because they say that and they're getting it. Are you sure they're not just lying about really needing it, and couldn't use other, lower-tech methods like starvation or napalm to do it if they were forced to? Or even trebuchets if they really, really felt like it?

It's a very tiring line. I understand wanting to pressure the US to halt military assistance, but do not think that would magically save Gaza. Biden has to deal with the harsh reality that it would not, because this isn't a movie, or a peer-peer war where 1000lb bombs are actually genuinely necessary.

The IDF would take more casualties without 1000lb bombs 155mm artillery shells, definitely. But that's it. They are human beings capable of adaptation and problem-solving, and could solve the problem of how to accomplish a goal without enough explosives.

Now, to fight Hezbollah on the other hand, that's a pretty big army. Probably do need the big bombs for that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

But Biden has slowed weapon shipments to Israel, it's the only thing he can (legally, not politically) do since the aid is mandated by law and his executive power doesn't extend to negating laws.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He could also have not lied in the report that would have legally mandated stopping shipments

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Biden really needs to be more carful when filling out those reports.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Biden really needs to be more careful that the final reports that his administration presents actually resembles the expert opinions it is allegedly based on

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But Biden has slowed weapon shipments to Israel

He hasn't. Netanyahu is making up shit because he can.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There have been U S. officials that confirmed this has happened though.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/18/politics/blinken-confirms-pause-heavy-bombs-israel/index.html

I'm not even arguing that it's effective, just that it happened.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He paused a shipment. Overall flow of weapons from the US to Israel hasn't changed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

More than just one, but yeah, the "overall flow" is set in law by acts of Congress, and only an act of Congress can stop that flow, not the executive branch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I mean okay. I'm not sure how true that is, but what I'm trying to say isn't "fuck Biden"; it's "Netanyahu is making shit up".