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[–] LEDZeppelin 77 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Add it to the pile. All these Nazi assholes are counting on Shitler to win in November so that he can make all the lawsuits disappear overnight

[–] comador 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm so not looking forward to November's elections.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I just want to get it over with already, i want to know why we are gonna have a civil war

[–] militaryintelligence 12 points 9 months ago

There won't be a civil war. Every Republican I know is a coward.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So basically will it be defensive or offensive?

[–] disguy_ovahea 5 points 9 months ago

There will be no civil war if Trump wins, just a lot of injured or dead protesters. There will be National Guard and Federal Agents dispatched to hot zones to neutralize potential threats. Look at what happened in Portland. Unless you can take down a tank, you’re just a meat obstacle.

[–] NatakuNox 5 points 9 months ago

They're just not large enough to get away with murder... You know like the oil industry, defense industry, prison industry, etc etc etc

[–] Rapidcreek 53 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That would be shocking from such an ethical organization

[–] worldwidewave 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

First bad thing I’ve heard about them /s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Yeah? Well here's the second thing: those people are a bunch of doodieheads

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If the consequence of destroying evidence is less than the consequence of being convicted of the crime that evidence supports, you destroy evidence. Simple economics.

[–] commandar 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Spoliation can be grounds for the judge to give the jury adverse inference instructions. i.e., the jury is allowed to assume that whatever was info was destroyed would have been damaging to the defendant's case.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This isn't a murder trial. This can have significantly adverse affects on the punitive damages.

Just look at the Alex Jones trial for a recent example.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That's irrelevant to my point, which was that destroying evidence in a trial with monetary damages can result in increased damages, instead of avoiding them.

If you're still not getting it, you should reread the comment thread and to see the context for that example being used.

[–] teamevil 22 points 9 months ago

Newsmax do something unethical and once again doing nothing remotely close to infotainment just spewing stupidity and fear. Chris Ruddy is a monster.

[–] Fades 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

this is what fascists do

Donald fucking trump attempted to flood his own computer surveillance room to destroy evidence too

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Lawyers for Florida-based Smartmatic allege that Newsmax engaged in a “cover-up” by destroying texts and emails of key executives that would demonstrate the network’s knowledge that voting fraud claims being pushed by former President Donald Trump and his allies were untrue.

The lawsuit is just one of many major defamation cases filed by Smartmatic and Dominion Voting Systems against news organizations over false claims about fraud in 2020 election.

In 2023, just moments before opening statements in a Delaware courtroom, Fox News paid the voting machine company Dominion a settlement of $787.5 million over similar false claims it made on air.

Powell was a Newsmax guest and a source of false allegations about voting fraud by Smartmatic and other companies.

Smartmatic’s motion details numerous instances of evidence destruction, including incriminating emails and texts from Newsmax executives, indicating intentional spoliation.”

In April, Smartmatic settled a suit against OANN, another right-wing news channel that allowed false election fraud claims on its air.


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[–] MisterFrog 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Y'all need to just stop it with voting machines USA. Pencil and paper is far more secure.

I'm not doubting that trump wasn't elected, reality has a left-wing bias, but damn, what if voting machines are hacked, or have a backdoor built-in in the future.

Pencil and paper folks, it just works.

[–] MisterFrog 1 points 9 months ago

It's also much harder to claim fraud when there is none (provided your auditing and multiple independent oversight is good).