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[–] FlyingSquid 254 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Putting out arrest warrants on both of them is so smart. It's a way to avoid people claiming they are taking sides or playing favorites or aiding terrorists or being in favor of genocide or whatever. Both leaders are culpable because both the IDF and Hamas have committed atrocities.

[–] [email protected] 193 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It is a politically savvy and ethically correct move. Really nice when those line up.

[–] kamenlady 40 points 7 months ago

There's something satisfying about it.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (2 children)

At least the ICC is willing to do the right thing.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Putting out arrest warrants on both of them is so smart. It’s a way to avoid people claiming they are taking sides or playing favorites or aiding terrorists or being in favor of genocide or whatever.

It would be absurd and unjust to issue a warrant for only one of them. This was the right thing to do.

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[–] [email protected] 201 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The CNN headline is a bit misleading. It's not the International Criminal Court as a whole that is seeking these arrest warrants but the ICC's chief prosecutor Karim Khan. The judges have yet to decide on these warrants.

[Side note: This is the same kind of lazy journalism that uses terms like EU chief or EU leader interchangeably for the President of the European Commission (Ursula von der Leyen) and the President of the European Council (Charles Michel). If this was limited to a short headline, I could excuse it, but CNN continues with the same wording in the first sentence of the article: "The International Criminal Court is seeking arrest warrants for ..." which is absolutely unnecessary, even if CNN clarifies things later.]

[–] [email protected] 75 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I've always considered CNN to stand for Clearly Not News

Edit - the BBC headline starts "ICC prosecutor seeks arrest of..."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ggpe3qj6wo

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Ok, this is very interesting. How is it he took this initiative? Actually, is it an initiative or part of the process?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago (7 children)

It's part of the process. Now the request is before judges who will decide whether or not to issue the arrest warrants. For reference, when an ICC prosecutor asked for an arrest warrant for Vladmir Putin, it took a couple months for the judges to decide and then issue the warrant.

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[–] givesomefucks 67 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Biden can't save him, because we wouldn't agree to the Rome act because we thought that somehow meant we couldn't be charged at the Hauge for our war crimes. That's not true tho, we don't have to agree to it.

Israel and the United States are not members of the ICC. However, the ICC claims to have jurisdiction over Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank after Palestinian leaders formally agreed to be bound by the court’s founding principles in 2015.

[–] Treczoks 51 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nice that they see the criminals on both sides.

[–] RizzRustbolt 30 points 7 months ago (23 children)

Same side.

Hamas is almost totally funded by Benny and his croneys.

[–] Deway 15 points 7 months ago

Was I think, they stopped a few years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I'm not sure I understand how these warrants can take place. It will come from other member states in case any of them travel there?

Also how is it that Putin has not been arrested yet? Has he avoided those destinations.

If I misunderstood something or everything, please let me know.

[–] anlumo 95 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, Putin has avoided those destinations so far. He even got warned by South Africa that they’d have to arrest him if he were to travel to a meeting there.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

Thank you for the clarification!

[–] givesomefucks 42 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They can't make a country arrest it's own leader.

But if they travel to any UN country, the country is supposed to arrest them, or coordinate with countries willing to.

So these are more like an exile than anything.

Kind of like a sanction but instead of money it's on personal travel.

Sanctions are still waaaaaay more effective though and what we should be doing. Money is what these despots care about.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

so this also means that if netanyahu loses elections, he can be just sent to hague

[–] givesomefucks 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If the person who beats him wants too...

And if Netenyahu even lets Israel have elections. Before 10/7 he was already in the process of getting kicked out of office, the only reason he's still in power is 10/7.

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[–] Fades 46 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Good, this is a situation in which both sides are both truly disgusting and vile, using people as pawns, shields, etc.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, for some reason too many people are having difficulty understanding that in this case, yes, the both side argument works quite well. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are horrible with the citizens on both side suffering

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago

Regardless of the technicalities and nuances in the reporting: this is a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Can we talk about a story that's fallen through the cracks here? CNN claiming this as an exclusive is madness. Who do these people think they are? And should the ICC issue arrest warrants about it? 😉

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

CNN claiming this as an exclusive is madness

That's an excellent point you're making

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago

More links

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ggpe3qj6wo

https://apnews.com/article/icc-khan-netanyahu-070941d21ccd1f2b9611032b88527575

Karim Khan said that he believes Netanyahu, his defense minister Yoav Gallant and three Hamas leaders — Yehia Sinwar, Mohammed Deif and Ismail Haniyeh — are responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip and Israel.

The prosecutor must request the warrants from a pre-trial panel of three judges, who take on average two months to consider the evidence and determine if the proceedings can move forward.

Israel is not a member of the court, and even if the arrest warrants are issued, Netanyahu and Gallant do not face any immediate risk of prosecution. But Khan’s announcement deepens Israel’s isolation as it presses ahead with its war, and the threat of arrest could make it difficult for the Israeli leaders to travel abroad.

Both Sinwar and Deif are believed to be hiding in Gaza as Israel tries to hunt them down. But Haniyeh, the supreme leader of the Islamic militant group, is based in Qatar and frequently travels across the region.

[–] Linkerbaan 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Let's check what the left wing "progressive" israelis think about this.

[–] Valmond 19 points 7 months ago

It's not comparing them, they have just all went over the bar for being war criminals.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Herein lies one of the innumerable differences between democratic socialists and liberals

[–] baatliwala 22 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Fucking hell got so confused by the title, was wondering what the fuck do these guys have to do with cricket.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They've already called it antisemitic.

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[–] IndustryStandard 19 points 7 months ago

You mean "they did it first" doesn't hold up in international court?

[–] TokenBoomer 17 points 7 months ago (6 children)

“Let me be clear,” the president said in the statement, “whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence – none – between Israel and Hamas.”

Biden saying the right things as usual. /s

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

It's true. Hamas is posting rookie numbers. They've got to up their death count by around 10x before they can be in Israel's league.

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