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Boeing 747-400 with 468 people aboard was forced to make an emergency landing in Indonesia on Wednesday after one of its engines caught fire and began shooting out flames during takeoff.

The Garuda Indonesia flight was bound for Medina, Saudi Arabia, which is the entry point for many Muslims making their pilgrimage to Mecca. It left from Indonesia’s international airport in Makassar, where clips showed one of the plane’s four engines becoming engulfed in flames during takeoff on Wednesday evening.

Videos of the engine fire were shared online by JACDEC, a plane crash data evaluation firm, which showed that the flames began just as the plane had lifted from the runway.

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[–] mercano 165 points 1 month ago (7 children)

The last 747-400 passenger plane rolled off the production line in 2005. This is either going to be a maintenance issue or the engine ingesting debris or a bird, not faulty construction. Boeing doesn’t even make the engines, it’s either GE, Pratt & Whitney, or Rolls Royce, depending on the original owner’s preference.

[–] raspberriesareyummy 45 points 1 month ago

This here. As much as I hate the new Boeing philosophy, they used to build good planes and this issue is most certainly a maintenance problem or bird strike etc....

[–] monkeyslikebananas2 25 points 1 month ago

But it is rumored the bird was actually a suicidal whistleblower.

[–] Shard 10 points 1 month ago
[–] BradleyUffner 5 points 1 month ago

Look, your facts and logic have no place in this angry mob. Either pick up a pitchfork and get with the program, or get out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Ok but how does this stuff keep happening to Boeing planes?

[–] tb_ 30 points 1 month ago

Boeing is under increased public awareness, any issues get picked up and amplified by the news.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's about 100,000 flights a day in the world. Until very recently Boeing was the largest provider of commercial aircraft, and it's still second largest next to airbus. It's basically a duopoly with those two manufacturers providing the vast majority of planes. Even with the small rate of accidents, with so many flights every day involving Boeing planes there's going to be a few.

Editors know anything relating to an airline accident and Boeing right now will get lots of clicks, they just throw that it's a Boeing aircraft in the headline, then bury relevant facts indicating there's really no way this could have anything to do with Boeing quality control in the article. And many of these are about events that happen from time to time anyways but wouldn't normally make any sort of splash in the international news media, so suddenly it feels like you're being bombarded with Boeing news. If the headline writer put GE or Rolls Royce airplane engine fire due to likely accidental bird collision, or Garuda Indonesia airline repair standards are subpar or something, it wouldn't get any clicks.

[–] TheRealKuni 19 points 1 month ago

Ok but how does this stuff keep happening to Boeing planes?

Shit happens to lots of planes. You just hear about the Boeing ones because reporting on them is in vogue.

I recently set up FlightRadar24 to alert me whenever a plane anywhere in the world starts squawking 7700, the emergency code. It’s REMARKABLE how often it happens. At least a few times per day, it seems like. There are well over 100,000 flights every day, and occasionally stuff goes wrong.

(And yet, whenever a fatal commercial air incident occurs it’s global news, because those are still exceptionally rare.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Airbus has a ton of new planes grounded due to engine failures since before the door blowout. But you won't hear about it because shitting on Boeing is what got clicks instead.

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[–] Hildegarde 61 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This is another article that claimed a jet engine burst into flames, when all that happened was an engine surge. The engine didn't catch fire, the engine did the jet version of a backfire, and only once during the takeoff roll.

[–] madcaesar 6 points 1 month ago

Thank you for reading the article and educating us. The thumbnail image looks like the plane is about to disintegrate!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

But but but muh clicks! Muh ad revenue!! Who the hell cares about my affect on society!? I need muh clicks!

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[–] Jumi 55 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Improper maintenance or birdstrike I'd assume

[–] ladicius 58 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Improper bird maintenance.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago
  • Bird in for service

Bird mechanic sucks teeth: well, the wings are out of alignment and some cowboy's got the quack valve out of alignment. I can fix it, but it isn't going to be cheep. Mind you, if you fly it like this you're likely to have a nasty accident.

Customer: I know your tricks! Stop trying to up-sell me. I only brought it in for a beak polish. I'm going and I'm going to leave a bad review on twitter!

Bird takes off, immediately veers into the path of a plane, which promptly bursts into flames.

Bird mechanic: Told you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

They really just flap about and squawk at their subordinates

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] aeronmelon 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

The drones are fighting back

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Instrike birdmance

[–] supercriticalcheese 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

Looks like the last passenger 747-400 was made in 2005. I think I'm willing to give Boeing a pass on this one. I get the feeling that Boeing personnel probably haven't been anywhere near this plane in at least five, maybe ten years.

Indonesian air travel has been notorious for incidents over recent decades. Each of the country’s airlines were banned over E.U. and U.S. airspace in 2007 but were reinstated in 2016 and 2018. Since then, Garuda has joined the SkyTeam airline alliance, which includes North American carriers Delta Air Lines and Aeroméxico.

[–] Xeroxchasechase 31 points 1 month ago

Maybe all of the passengers are whistle blowers...

[–] cybersandwich 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

completed an approximately 90-minute holding pattern before safely returning to and landing in Makassar.

Lol wtf!? I get that it was past the point of no return and had to commit to take off but a 90 min wait to land again seems insane.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (6 children)

747s are designed to lose an engine in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and still be able to return to land safely. Literally.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS

90m isn't ideal, but perfectly fine.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's weird they designed it to lose an engine. They should have designed it not to lose an engine. That would have been better.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim

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[–] RunawayFixer 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My guess is that they wanted the plane to use up most of the fuel before attempting the landing. As long as the plane is flying, the speed of the plane adds a level of safety to the fire. Once the plane lands and slows down, that fire would start affecting the rest of the wing much more, but there can't be a big kaboom anymore if the fuel tanks are empty.

[–] Hildegarde 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Long distance 747 flighs usually take off above the maximum landng weight. They need to get rid of the fuel before landing, but the 400 has the ability to dump fuel.

The engine wasn't on fire. The engine had a surge on takeoff. They would have shut the engine off as it might have been damaged, but the plane was not on fire. They would have landed much sooner if it was.

Many articles describe engine surges with language that, while not technically a lie, is written to make readers conclude that the airplane is actually on fire.

[–] Dashi 3 points 1 month ago

This guy airplanes. Thanks for the info kind person!

[–] Hildegarde 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Plane was not on fire. Passengers were in no immediate danger. Its safer to keep flying and prepare than make a hasty landing for no reason.

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[–] derf82 8 points 1 month ago

Landing overweight can be even more dangerous. The engine was shut down and they can fly just fine on 3 engines.

[–] HootinNHollerin 12 points 1 month ago

Here come more derpwads that don’t understand that airline maintenance is a thing and Boeing has nothing to do with this

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