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submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Seriously it really grinds my gears that the Canadian government thinks that 16 years olds are mature and intelligent enough to drive a car, work a full-time job, pay taxes, apply for a passport, and are able to live independently on their own without a parent or guardian if they want to and get married with parent consent.

But when it comes to voting the Canadian thinks 16 year olds are not mature and intelligent enough to vote. Its completely ridiculous in my opinion.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

If you're paying taxes, you should have a say in where it's spent.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Exactly it's completely fucking ridiculous that 16 years old are legally able to pay for taxes, drive a car. But can't legally be allowed to vote until they are 18.

A 16 year old and 18 year old both have the same level of maturity. So if 18 years old are allowed to vote then I think 16 year old should also legally be allowed to vote.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

To be fair, some 15 year olds are just as mature as some 19 year olds. Are you saying 15 year olds should be able to buy smokes and drink? In Canada a 16 year old cannot drive a car without another licensed driver sitting beside them as well, so that's not a good comparison.

Maybe 16 year olds should be tax-exempt until they are old enough to vote :)

[-] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

True a 16 year old can't drive without a another valid driver's license sitting beside them in Canada but it's still does not change the fact that a 16 year old driving a car even with another licensed driver beside is still extremely dangerous because there is still that chance they could get in to a car accident and die.

As far my opinion on if 15 year should be able to legally be allowed to smoke or drink. I think l that if a 15 year old understand the long term social ramifications of smoking and drinking and still chose to not care about the potential risk that can happen as result of them smoking or drinking then it's morally okay for them to smoke or drink in my opinion.

I believe everything to be morally neutral unless I am given a valid reason for it to be morally wrong.

I do not get my morals from the law or from a religious book.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

15 year olds should absolutely not be legally allowed to drink and smoke. Knowing the detriments of vices does not shield one from the immense peer pressure young people need to deal with. Not to mention that the long term financial burden of supporting sick or hospitalized people is on an older, ideally healthier, generation.

[-] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago

If you ideally want a healthier generation. it would be better if crigrites, alcohol and all recreational drugs are illegal in Canada so that we wouldn't have to deal with the long-term financial burden of supporting sick or hospitalized people.

And I think parents that overfeed their child with alot of food everyday are morally a bad person and should be put in prison for child abuse in my opinion because childern 13 and under do not know the long term social ramifications of obesity. They don't know that they could potentially get a heart attack and die if they continue to stuff their face with food everyday.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

And I think parents that overfeed their child with alot of food everyday are morally a bad person and should be put in prison for child abuse

I agreed that 16 year olds should be allowed to vote until I read this sentence. Congrats on poisoning your own well.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

A 16 year old and 18 year old both have the same level of maturity

Biologically this is not true. People's brains are still in development until the mid-20s

[-] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago

Even still I don't see any difference at all between a 16-year-old and a 18 year old. So they should have the right to vote in my opinion because 16 years old are already driving cars and paying for taxes in Canada.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

I don't think 16 year olds should really be driving cars, either. Most of them are irresponsible lunatics, in my experience. But they can learn to d'rive safely, and the earlier they start the faster they'll learn. Ideally they would be doing so in a simulator for the first few years. We should probably handle politics the same way - teach teenagers about the political process and help them get experience reasoning about political problems but without exposing others to the consequences of their errors until they're ready to fully participate.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well if you think 16 year shouldn't legally be allowed to drive a car then at least you logically consistent.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I think 16 year olds should be legally allowed to drive with guardian supervision. I think they usually are able to.

I think 16 year olds should be legally allowed to drink with guardian supervision. I think they usually are able to.

I think 16 year olds should be legally allowed to smoke with guardian supervision. I think they usually are able to. 16 year olds can't buy them, but parents could give them. I can only think of one situation where parents should facilitate their 16 year olds smoking (as part of a smoking cessation plan).

I think that if a guardian attests that their 16 year old is ready to vote, they should be allowed to.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I think that if a guardian attests that their 16 year old is ready to vote, they should be allowed to.

I feel that people who don't agree with the child's politics may not allow them to vote.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

That's a risk. Yeah I don't really know why you'd need a parental attestation. Forget that part.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

Yeah I am fine with it

When you get older you’ll realize how stupid people are so the age difference for voting is trivial

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

I think 18 is low enough. I don’t think most 16 year olds have enough life experience yet to make informed decisions about government and politics.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I'll take that risk, having seen how most of the "wizened" people with life experience vote.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Adults already fall prey to team politics, so it’s a bit of a weak argument—I know.

I think it would still be interesting to get an official youth vote, even if it did not count, to quantify the issues as they see it.

[-] hihellobyeoh 3 points 1 month ago

This could be really good, they could have 2-4 years of actually showing up at the polling location, and even better for politicians, they would be able to see the data related to what the next voters are worried about, allowing them to change how they campaign... I'm starting to like this decision less.

[-] Vinny_93 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Europe votes in a couple of weeks. 16 year olds will have a vote for the first time.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Wow that's great I'm so happy that 16-year-olds will be able to legally be allowed to vote for the first time in Europe.

[-] Vinny_93 6 points 1 month ago

This reads like sarcasm. I think that if it turns out successful, it might set a precedent for other countries to follow.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

No bro I'm 100% serious

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Canadians don't even want proportional representation. Improving our democracy isn't important. So, I can't imagine they would support 16 year olds voting.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Knowing myself and my high school at 16, I gotta disagree. I'm sure there are a good number of responsible 16yos out there, but there's a lot more that don't respect the gravity of what they're doing.

I would have absolutely voted for whoever was stupidest for the meme, as would many of my friends.

[-] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago

That shouldn’t be the age anywhere. If anything it needs to be raised.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Honestly, 16 year olds have a better view on what's good for the planet than the average boomer. And I'm saying this as an older millennial.

They have to live in this future, on average, longer. So why should it be raised?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

If anything the age should be lowered (in the sense that 60+ shouldn't really be able to anymore). I picked that age at random

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ya tbh once you hit retirement age or something you shouldn't have a say anymore. Greedy old people that don't care about future generations got us where we are today. Why should they control the future when they won't even live long enough to face the consequences of their shitty actions/beliefs?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Not every retired pwrson is an old school "boomer", some are very educated and have seen trends come and go to be wise about voting. i trust them more than a 16 year old who lives with parents aying their way ...who's biggest voting point might be irrelevant compared to larger picture of knowing how cost of living, bills and inter country politics work

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

Couldn't care less. All old people going forward shouldn't get a say including my generation when I reach that age. Old people are short sighted and stuck in their ways, incapable or unwilling to change.

Fuck em all.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sounds like you are stuck in your ways , incapable or unwilling to change. LOL. If you actually talked to old people, not just what you see about boomers amd corporate distopia you will find many are very open minded.

As an anecdote, my mum is old and grew up in an era of racism and gay being illegal. she is now in public or on facebook having daily fights calling people out on the racism, and spreading acceptance for the lgbtq2s+ community. Intelligent people do chane their views, ageism has no bearing on that

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