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Thousands protest in Israel amid anger at Netanyahu over hostages held in Gaza (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] disguy_ovahea 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Protests in the tens of thousands have been in the streets of Israel since March. Netanyahu has had a 15% favorability rating since January. His remaining supporters are the Orthodox far right, which make up only 13% of citizens. The overwhelming majority are non-secular Jews, at 45%, and 21% of citizens are Arab-Palestinians. Anyone who defines Israelis as uniformly aligned with Netanyahu should consider the same designation for all Americans under a Trump presidency. It’s just plain ignorant.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/only-15-israelis-want-netanyahu-keep-job-after-gaza-war-poll-finds-2024-01-02/

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/tens-thousands-rally-against-netanyahu-government-jerusalem-2024-03-31/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for making this comment. I've seen too much lately that demonises israelis in a way that feels very "cycle of violence" for lack of a better phrase.

[–] disguy_ovahea 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that’s a good way to put it. Demonizing all Israelis for Netanyahu’s actions is no different than Netanyahu dehumanizing all Palestinians for the actions of Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A while ago, I read an account by an Israel anti-zionist where they reflected on their journey from being raised heavily Zionist, through the cognitive dissonance, to where they are now. Something that's stuck with me is how she described the dread she felt when she was beginning to recognise the injustices being done unto Palestinians. Her "Oh God, are we the baddies?" moment came with a fear that almost pushed her back into ignorance and Zionism — the fear that if the atrocities committed in the name of Zionism weren't necessary and justified, as she had been taught, then so many people were justified in hating her and people like her. For a brief flash, she almost doubled down on the zionism in a sort of "well, it's too late to right the wrongs of the past, and now there really is a group of people who hate us, so now we really are fighting to stay alive"

Hatred and fear are scary things.

[–] disguy_ovahea 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Absolutely. It sounds like the stories I’ve read about kids who outgrew the KKK. It’s hard to understand how all the people who treat you with love are able to be so wrong about hate.

Not all Israeli families are like that. I worked with two Israeli Jews with dual citizenship in the US, and we’ve remained friends since. One attended the pro-Palestine protest at NYU. They both grew up in liberal homes in Israel. They were raised with the belief that Palestinians should have access to their holy land, and vote for one-state advocates. They are very much against Netanyahu’s actions toward the Palestinians, and his use of antisemitism as a defense, but are also very much against Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You should check the current election opinion polls. Likud and the other far right parties are currently projected to lose by several seats in some polls. I think you might be underestimating the potential yield of Bibi's tactic to keep the zealots happy. They might be able to gain a few points and win another election, with smaller Likud in the coalition.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Sounds like all they care about are the hostages, not all the innocents being slaughtered by the israeli military

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

These are not, in general, people opposed to the offensive. These are people angry that the incursion on Oct 7 was allowed to happen, and that the hostages haven’t yet been freed. They’re not calling for a pullout, ceasefire, or two state solution. This was closer to a Bomb Iran rally than a Free Palestine rally.

[–] disguy_ovahea 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

That’s simply not true. Netanyahu has had a 15% approval rating since January. Only the far right minority still supports him. The left has been protesting him since March, prior to the Iranian consulate attack.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/tens-thousands-rally-against-netanyahu-government-jerusalem-2024-03-31/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Right, but they're not disapproving because he's doing too much genocide, they're disapproving because they think he isn't doing enough genocide. At least from the coverage I've seen on the ground in Israel of Israelis.

[–] disguy_ovahea 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Again, a very broad and incorrect assumption. The far left, 23% percent of citizens, believe in a one state solution. The drive for Zionism has been waning in Israel with the passing of older generations. The population of Israel is 9.5M people. The tens of thousands are simply protesting the killing of innocent people.

https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/928

[–] m13 8 points 6 months ago

Netanyahu funded Hamas, and wanted something like October 7 to happen in order to openly ramp up the genocide. He never gave a fuck about the hostages, nor about all of their own people they gunned down with Apache helicopters on October 7. The only thing that matters to him is genocide of Palestinians.

[–] mean_bean279 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wow, what a bunch of antisemites.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Why is it that every time a Jew speaks out, somebody finds it the peak of hilarity to make this exact comment?

It doesn't do anything to foster dialog or up engagement on the site.

[–] qantravon 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A lot of people, especially those on the far right, have painted anyone critical of the Israeli government 's actions in Gaza as anti-semites. This is clearly absurd if you take a second to think about it. Making note that Jewish people and Israelis are also critical of these actions is pointing out the absurdity of the statements of the far right.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

I just think it is a tired joke that is in essence doing what the far right does, which is weaponizing Jewishness.

[–] ZhaoYadang 1 points 6 months ago

Put as many people in the streets as you want. That bastard’s not going anywhere until the military turns on him. And right now, they’re having a lot of fun murdering people in Gaza.