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[–] [email protected] 172 points 7 months ago (21 children)

Horrifying privacy implications aside, AI has really become the new cryptocurrency.

Don't get me wrong, both technologies are interesting, but it's tiring to see both be forced into applications that functioned just fine without them.

[–] T156 60 points 7 months ago (7 children)

It's arguably worse, since it seems to be more pervasive than crypto and NFTs were at their peak.

Crypto never really hit the mainstream, and even NFTs were still fringe. Whereas AI and AI accelerators are packed into basically every new phone and (Intel) processor.

[–] thehatfox 15 points 7 months ago

Regulatory hurdles kept crypto out of most mainstream products. There are no such barriers for AI, and any that are put up may come too late.

There are also more possible mainstream use cases for AI - if the technology works as promised. That’s the biggest for AI currently, and some products like the Humane Pin are already tripping over it.

[–] Grimy 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

There are way more uses cases to the average person than crypto so that's only natural. There's also a trust issue with crypto that doesn't exist with AI, as well as losing your money when things go wrong.

That being said, I don't approve of this nor adding it randomly to products where it clearly has little use. If people want generative software, they can just choose to install it.

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[–] accideath 26 points 7 months ago (3 children)

But what about my Web 3.0 AI cryptocurrency in the metaverse?

[–] foggy 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"An app that lets you make nfts from images created by a camera in the metaverse"

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Written in rust.

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[–] Whirling_Cloudburst 65 points 7 months ago (7 children)

So, how will this work and comply with laws regarding its use in a medical institution?

What about its use in a company that has extremely valuable trade secrets that need to be kept that way?

What about the military?

Wouldn't this make for an excellent target to harvest data for hackers?

I wonder if Win 11 LTSC will leave it out.

[–] SGG 23 points 7 months ago

Microsoft will release a GPO or MEM setting that works 20 percent of the time to turn off the constant AI data mining, only available to enterprise SKUs.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Other than them having some setting only for enterprise users, there's another question - what has more weight, Microsoft or the law?

[–] captainlezbian 11 points 7 months ago

In America who knows. In Europe, it’s probably the law

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

what has more weight, Microsoft or the law?

If law forces them, Big IT will challenge it only to get a few years to mine data and get a few billions. Or outright violate it, because the penalty will be less worth.

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[–] sturmblast 56 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Yep, that shit won't be running on my computers.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago (4 children)

As worse and worse win11 features are unveiled it’s so funny to see these posts slowly filled with more “yeah i just switched to linux” comments.

[–] ATDA 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Obligatory Linux mint post.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

pfff... I'm going back to Windows XP Pro x64 Edition.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (8 children)
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[–] Ragdoll_X 47 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Honestly I'm already not a big fan of Windows 10 so if Microsoft tries to force me to download Windows 11 with all these nonsense AI features that spy on you I'm just gonna switch to Linux

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I switched in November. I have no regrets. I rarely run into issues, and having the control to make decisions over my own computer is superb.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago

Everything you need to know

Is to delete windows 11

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago

yeah, no thanks so fucking very much

[–] Raptor_007 24 points 7 months ago

No fuckin thanks…

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

So they disable this in EU, right?

[–] workerONE 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] dukethorion 7 points 7 months ago

They renamed it Creepy.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

Useless bloatware. And then they added AI.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yep, the AI will be watching, including porn. (not confirmed since not out)

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[–] MagnusEntityPosts 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The Eye

(It knows you, it sees all that you do) (You cant hide) (....) (You thought so much about whether or not you Could, that you didn't think about if you should) (quite a scary thing) (to be so fully Known) (I hope that there is going to be a way to disable that)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

(Why are we taking like this)

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For the average user, with maybe a little bit of IT knowledge but doesn't work in IT, what can we do for ourselves and our families other than go to win 11 eventually?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Unironically, switch to Linux. Mainstream distros like Mint, PopOS or Ubuntu are very friendly for casual users, have GUIs for everything and if something does go wrong, the error messages actually have proper meaning and you'll find tons of resources online as well as people willing to help.

Most stuff nowadays runs in a browser anyway, so here there's no compatibility issues, office is available in Linux through libre office and gaming has come far with steam and proton.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

If I'm reading this correctly this runs locally and will requirean NPU, so would not be present or working without AI dedicated hardware?

It honestly sounds useful and I would be a little excited to use it, but I imagine Microsoft will collect the data in some way which would be bad as it pretty much records your screen all the time (I somehow doubt all the info the AI collects will be actually stored locally)?

Hopefuly one day there will be a point when a similar software will be developed that runs 100% locally, storing the data locally and have no internet connectivity and just be a useful tool.

Good news is that unless you have Qualcomm CPU (or one with integrated NPU in the long run) you are safe from it for now

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Yeah you just about summed up my thoughts about the feature.
It sounds like it could be genuinely useful, but I could never trust Microsoft to do it right, no matter how much they insist it's local only.

[–] dumpsterlid 11 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Honestly I think windows is so fucked in terms of market share and it seems like they are kind of just pre-emptively ceding the battle to linux intentionally or not.

Yeah people have been waiting for years for linux to eat windows for lunch and it hasn’t happened yet but I am convinced that linux becoming massively more practical and easy to use for gaming (Steam deck being a good catalyst) in the last couple of years has pushed things past a tipping point. Gaming might not make up the outsized chunk of desktop usage, but gaming is where people experiment, try new things, learn software inside and out and it is where people are most inspired to contribute and build and polish out the annoying little details of complex systems.

Yeah Microsoft will have its walled moats around entire sectors of business indefinitely into the future, and that probably is where most of the consistent money is, but I think Microsoft shitting the bed with Windows 11 so hard is creating the rosiest forecast for the future of Linux desktops I have ever seen in my life.

These twin factors converging has got me bullish af on Linux in the near to mid term.

Let’s fuckinnn gooooooo

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

yeah right, that data definitely won't be sent to microsoft.

[–] taanegl 9 points 7 months ago (10 children)

So I'm trying to figure out a way to jip Microsoft. We've already got a way to activate windows for free, but LTSC images need to be available - because that's where we get away from Microsoft's bullshit.

Unless Microsoft removes access to DISM and gp, we'll still be able to cut off that "always online" limb.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


It's an open secret that Microsoft is gearing up to supercharge Windows 11 this summer with next-gen AI capabilities that will enable the OS to be context aware across any apps and interfaces, as well as remember everything you do on your PC to enhance user productivity and search.

These new capabilities are set to ship as part of a new app internally called "AI Explorer," which I'm told will be unveiled during Microsoft's special Windows event on May 20.

The feature is also said to be exclusive to devices powered by Qualcomm's upcoming Snapdragon X series chips, at least at first, as Intel and AMD play catchup in the NPU race.

AI Explorer is able to do more than just remember the things you do on your computer, it's also able to analyze what's currently on-screen and provide contextual suggestions and tasks based on what it can see.

This capability is called Screen Understanding, and I'm told one of the big selling points of AI Explorer is that it's supposed to work across any app, with no developer input required.

The existence of Rewind.ai proves that this is a concept that can be done, and Microsoft is essentially building its own version into Windows 11 that offloads the resources required for such a feature onto NPUs to keep the load away from the CPU.


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