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[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (15 children)

Yes.

A reasonable position and uncritical acceptance of a narrative are indistinguishable without the reasoning behind it. And I sincerely wish I could give others the benefit of the doubt that they reasoned their way to their beliefs, and I used to. But that assumption has been repeatedly violated that I'd be stupid to maintain it.

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[–] gerbler 30 points 7 months ago

If it's a subjective matter then no. Like if you thought Blade Runner sucked I might disagree with your opinion but respect that it's a matter of taste and so I won't recommend you see the sequel.

If you're just using "opinion" as a shield for something objective then yes I will. And I will laugh at you for thinking the sky is falling is a matter of opinion.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Depending on what you mean by respect and opinion, yes. If you're discussing an opinion then someone is probably going to expect you to explain why, that's a logical point to cover in any such discussion. Even if it's subjective. If it's an opinion on something objective, then there's an actual burden of "proof" and possible consequences, and the stakes rise accordingly.

There aren't many reasons to "properly" respect an opinion that is irrational (not just subjective), factually wrong ("interpretation" only goes so far), dishonest, or anything like that. I'm skeptical of endorsing any opinion until I know why it is what it is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I like chocolate feel free to be skeptical of endorsing it all you like I don't need to explain myself

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (10 children)

People that spend energy on arguing their right to have opinions rather than defending the opinion are deeply uninteresting and often stupid people that I don't not respect in any capacity.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Sort of. I respect your right to have an opinion, but I'll respect the opinion a lot more if backed by facts and data.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

OP asked this less than 24 hours before they went mask-off as a Fascist.

Yes, you do need a good argument. And no, Forced sterilization and eugenics isn't a good argument or even a conversation worth dignifying.

Edit: OP has deleted their post after an avalanche of downvotes and dissenting comments. I have some screenshots, although I expect OP to delete this post too.

Post: OP's deleted 'ask Lemmy' post asks: Should we replace democracy with Science? A Lemmy user replies in a comment: "should we replace bees with mathematics? These two aren't exactly valid substitutes for each other"

OP letting the mask slip:

User 'Spiderwort' comments on a post: "I read a short story where they took a humane approach to population reduction. An engineered disease. A short fever and then your uterus stops working. 95% effective. Rioting. All scientists hung. But the world was better." There are -10 votes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Extremely concerning shit

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

It depends on how harmful that opinion is. You prefer vanilla ice cream because you like the mild flavor - cool, difference of opinion. You prefer there were no same-sex marriages because your religion is against it - no, that affects other people’s lives so if you want me to respect that opinion you would have to have a good argument.

[–] hperrin 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

What do you mean by respect? And is it an actual opinion, like “chocolate is delicious”, or is it just something bigoted you believe? That’s usually what people mean when they want “respect” for their “opinion”. If that’s the case, no, I don’t respect it and I don’t respect you.

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[–] ChexMax 9 points 7 months ago

If it seems like an unexamined opinion or an opinion based on faulty logic, yes.

However I will often respect opinions if the person owns up to the non logic of it, even if the opinion affects me. Ie: "we should paint the living room this color because it's better than the other choice" I need to know your reasoning and your plan for decorating. "I don't know why, but I just feel in my gut this is the right color for me" I'm in, no further discussion needed. Same goes for vacation spots, daily activities, even bigger decisions like what car to get or what neighborhood to live in. I respect that you understand this opinion is based on nothing tangible and I will respect that.

I can't support or respect when my partner or friend feels strongly about something but their opinion is based on crap logic or no information whatsoever but they won't own up to that for some reason.

[–] essell 9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

No, but you need a good argument if you want me to support or act on your opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

The depends on the opinion

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I would say yes. The only time you don’t is when I already agree with you, but that’s because I (hopefully) already know the good argument.

I don’t believe in “common sense”, that’s just the biases someone already has. Some of them correct, some of them not, all unchecked therefore all invalid as a basis for anything.

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[–] Buddahriffic 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Can you give an example of what you mean by someone respecting your opinion and someone not respecting it?

As many others have said in this thread, it comes down to how you define "respect" and "opinion". Based on some of your responses, I think you are using a broad definition of "opinion", though some more clarification might be useful there. If you're worried about partisanship adding bias, try offering equivalent opinions from different directions as examples, eg "I think Trump should be president" and "I think Biden should be president".

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

good. no. valid. yes. as long as the premise is reasonable and its logical. If its about how you feel or everyone does it type of thing I just won't care as long as it just effects you.

[–] Today 4 points 7 months ago

I have friends who i disagree with but respect because i know they've considered different angles and made a decision that feels right to them. I have friends who i disagree with and do not respect because they believe (or pretend to believe?) what their family, husband, tv tell them and can't express any real thoughts or opinions of their own.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (5 children)

You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to eviscerate your opinion if it is my opinion that it’s shit.

Though I try to debate ideas with logic and evidence.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (7 children)

If you want to persuade me to think the way you do, yes.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If it's a totally subjective opinion, no. You can like food I don't, or even have kinks I don't.

If it's even slightly fact-based, kind of yes, unless you keep it entirely to yourself. I don't have to agree with it to respect it, though, if you have any reasonable kind of argument.

Like someone else said, in practice nobody actually cares what I respect.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

This is a spread from yes to no where "yee" applies to hypothetical things that are fully objective and "no" to hypothetical things that are fully subjective

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[–] mrcleanup 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

If your opinion is that kittens are cute, I'm on board. If your opinion is that everyone over 30 should be sterilized unless they are in a top 10 percent earning category, you're going to have to work for respect for that, and better have a damn convincing argument.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Who cares if internet jerks respect your opinion?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

If your opinion is regarding cheese, you're already on very thin ice

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)
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[–] Apollo42 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It depends on what your opinion is and what you mean by respect.

If your opinion is not well explained or backed up by evidence/logic and isn't something completely subjective, what is there to respect?

If your opinion is reprehensible, downright stupid, or ignorant? You have access to the entire base of human knowledge and are still ignorant, so what is there to respect?

Your opinion is completely logical/uncontroversial or is well backed by evidence? Where does respect come into it?

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[–] theywilleatthestars 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Depends on how consequential it is. If it's about Taylor Swift it doesn't matter, feel however you want, but if it's about how society should be run than yeah you kinda do

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