ETA to Israel bombing the three aid corridors? Because we've seen that already:
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/17/1213579692/israel-gaza-evacuation-south-attacks
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I think he actually got a little worried about the pushback regarding the most recent bombing of aid vans. Like, even the most pro Israeli outlets and groups online were saying “wow… that was a huge fuck up..”
Of course, none of them were acknowledging it was likely intentional. But I think in terms of gauging “are the Israeli people cool with us literally starving civilians to death” IDF leadership got a fairly affirmative “no”.
How do we know it was intentional? Although I guess the practical difference between intentional and callously indifferent is not very large in this context. So maybe it doesn’t matter.
They were specifically told the itinerary of the aid workers.
"All three vehicles were carrying civilians; they were marked as WCK vehicles; and their movements were in full compliance with Israeli authorities, who were aware of their itinerary, route, and humanitarian mission," WCK said in a statement Thursday.
I’m not sure how it can be accidental if you were told about it in advance.
And even if for a moment, that the person who aimed the guns didn’t know, it was someone’s job to make sure they did. Someone knew.
There are 3 possibilities:
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Israel internationally bombed a clearly marked aid convoy after being informed of and approving their route.
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Israel internationally adopted rules of engagement so lax that they allowed for 3 accidental bombings on a clearly marked aid convoy after being informed of and approving their route.
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All of the above.
The problem for Israel is that all of those possibilities are war crimes.
Well, what they’re going to claim is that war is hard and this happens to everyone, so it’s not intentional at all. Unfortunately, for people predisposed to believe them, this argument can seem quite reasonable. So that’s why we need to rigorously challenge it using as many lines of evidence as possible.
Beyond the route being approved in advance and the vehicles being clearly marked, the vehicles were also 2 km apart from each other and each one was seperatelt targeted
We don’t, which is why I say “likely” - but the sheer precision and clear markings on the vehicles makes me doubt the “it was a series of accidents” explanation.
Maybe I interpreted the word intentionally differently than you meant to use it. My understanding of the IDF’s explanation was that they mistakenly thought the vehicles were Hamas. So by intentional I thought you mean they were knowingly killing aid workers.
I think everyone agrees the vehicles were deliberately targeted, but why this was done is open to speculation.
No, we’re of the same mindset. It’s clear the missiles didn’t fall on these vehicles by chance, it’s just up for some debate regarding on if they were deliberately targeted knowing they were aid vehicles or not
IDF literally admitted they were intentional strikes.
And yet, western news media still claims it was an “accident”
Dafuq?! I dunno.
It's because there are different definitions of intentional and accidental in this context such that they are not always mutually exclusive.
The strike was intentionally targeted on those vehicles, but IDF claims it was accidental in that they were mistaken about the occupants of the vehicles. Whether this is true is unclear at this time.
The strike was intentionally targeted on those vehicles, but IDF claims it was accidental in that they were mistaken about the occupants of the vehicles.
I don't believe that bullshit for a microsecond. Either Israel is forehead caved in stupid, or they believe people like you are.
"All three vehicles were carrying civilians; they were marked as WCK vehicles; and their movements were in full compliance with Israeli authorities, who were aware of their itinerary, route, and humanitarian mission," WCK said in a statement Thursday. Source
Israel is a terrorist state that murders aid workers knowingly and intentionally, and abused claims of antisemitism to act with impunity against aid workers and civilians. There is a long history of this kind of behavior, so Israel deserves exactly 0 benefit of the doubt.
Part of the reason this conflict is so intractable is the blind rage that makes people see things in only black and white.
Personally I don’t think it’s that simple. It’s not about the benefit of the doubt, it’s about the summation of what we know, what we don’t know, and filling in the gaps with reasonable assumptions about what is possible or likely. Even if what you believe is true, it is still worthwhile to prove it.
I just war game it, disincentive aid, create famine, after everyone is starving the only people not starving are Hamas.
fr…saw this and immediately thought “Israel to open 3 kill zones”
Probably been bombed already
The U.S. has significant leverage over Israel as its main supplier of weapons and military equipment.
They sure don't seem to, considering they never even explicitly threaten to use that leverage. Even the call, based on a situation that supposedly left Biden anguished, was still an implicit threat. At least based on what's published.
If Biden wants to actually get any change done he should damn well know that getting rid of Bibi is the only way to do that. The best way to get rid of Bibi is to make the Knesset realize he's an existential threat to Israel because he's about to cause the US to cut off support.
The Knesset just voted themselves a nice six week vacation. They don't give a shit. If Bibi goes they'll find another main man. They have plenty of genocidal nutbars to pick from in their ranks.
Right? People who think a person like Bibi with his ideological bent just exist in a vacuum and it's delusionally macabre. Inertia fucking happens.
Bibi is a lynchpin that holds up a coalition of actual fascists. Those fascists have supporters(including in the IDF), but not a majority. Breaking the back of that coalition and facilitating the fall of Bibi's government would result in positive change for the entire situation.
The fact that Bibi will go to jail if he loses that coalition due to corruption charges is what makes Biden's softball moves so frustrating for me.
Bibi, like Trump, is a symptom of the pathogen. We will need to work harder than this to cut the head off such a snake. Jail for either is positive, yes. But it's more like Tylenol for a rattlesnake bite than an actual anti venom.
It wasn't Bibi doing a festival with sugar cotton and games to block the food aid, it was Israel citizens.
Forty-seven percent of Israeli Jews said in a poll conducted [in October 2023] that Israel should “not at all” consider the “suffering of the civilian Palestinian population in Gaza” in the next phase of fighting.
Yes, that is a strange quote. It should read "AIPAC has has significant control over who is elected to the U.S. government".
Did Biden threaten to take away Bibi's new genocidal toys?
If these corridors open I'm sure that'll mean the Israelis will have access to new weapons.
So you're saying these 3 new aid corridors are a bad thing?
The aid corridors are good, the circumstances are not.
Fuck Israel.
USA needs to provide military escorts.
Let Israel kill US troops.
Let us see what happens if they do it again.
History tells us not much will happen https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
But still...
There's thousands of trucks right outside Rafah. We don't need more "aid corridors". We don't need more piers to bomb WFC vehicles on. Gaza is like 25 miles long. A truck can drive 25 miles.
Just let the trucks in.
The aid corridors are for the trucks.
AKA "targeting calibration corridors".
Biden waits for Israel to kill a bunch of aid workers with no consequences
Biden tells Bibi to "open corridors" for aid into the North.
Now Bibi and Biden can claim they're "humanitarian" despite knowing most aid workers are too afraid to enter the North.
Liberals are gonna eat this shit up when the biweekly "vote blue no matter who" post rocks up on the front page of lemmy.