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Kibbutz Be’eri Rejects Story in New York Times October 7 Exposé: “They Were Not Sexually Abused” (theintercept.com)

submitted 9 months ago by Linkerbaan to c/world

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Two of the three victims specifically singled out by the New York Times in a marquee exposé published in December, which alleged that Hamas had deliberately weaponized sexual violence during the October 7 attacks, were not in fact victims of sexual assault, according to the spokesperson for the Kibbutz Be’eri, which the Times identified as the location of the attack.

The Times article described three alleged victims of sexual assault for whom it reported specific biographical information. One, known as the “woman in the black dress,” was Gal Abdush. Some of her family members have contested the claims made by the Times. The other two alleged victims were unnamed teenage sisters from Kibbutz Be’eri whose precise ages were listed in the New York Times, making it possible to identify them.

When asked about the claims made by the New York Times, Paikin independently raised their name. “You’re talking about the Sharabi girls?” she said. “No, they just — they were shot. I’m saying ‘just,’ but they were shot and were not subjected to sexual abuse.” Paikin also disputed the graphic and highly detailed claims of the Israeli special forces paramedic who served as the source for the allegation, which was published in the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and other media outlets. “It’s not true,” she told The Intercept, referring to the paramedic’s claims about the girls. “They were not sexually abused.”

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[–] Linkerbaan 37 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Aw shucks "anonymous israeli witnesses" lied again?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Lies, more lies, and genocide

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The rejection of the Times reporting in the kibbutz by Be’eri spokesperson Michal Paikin further undermines the credibility of the paper’s controversial December article “‘Screams Without Words’: How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7.”

I’m saying ‘just,’ but they were shot and were not subjected to sexual abuse.” Paikin also disputed the graphic and highly detailed claims of the Israeli special forces paramedic who served as the source for the allegation, which was published in the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and other media outlets.

Ben Smith, the editor-in-chief of Semafor and the former media columnist for the New York Times, reported Sunday that Sella recommended his uncle’s partner, Schwartz, to the Jerusalem bureau chief, and she was brought on board for the investigation.

A recent interview in the Israeli media with the Sharabi sisters’ grandparents offers details that directly contradict the Times reporting that the girls at Kibbutz Be’eri were sexually assaulted on October 7.

The family also gave several interviews to international news outlets before “Screams Without Words” was published that provided information that undercuts the assertions in the Times article, raising questions about why the paper did not include these publicly available details.

On February 29, Israel’s Channel 12 broadcast a feature story on the grandparents, who traveled from Britain to the kibbutz to view the home where their loved ones died and to meet with neighbors, family members, and officials.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Oh good, they weren't raped and murdered, they were just murdered.

That's a relief.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's awful, but it's still important to report accurately on such terrible events.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

Fair point, but it's not the win some people here seem to think it is.

[–] Linkerbaan 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Well yes supposedly Hamas was using rape as a weapon of war. Which is factally not true.

Hamas did do some war crimes such as shooting non-combatants. It's important that our newspapers don't just completely make up facts about mass-rapes.

[–] Pipoca 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

According to the UN

In the context of the coordinated attack by Hamas and others of 7 October, the UN mission team found that there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in multiple locations, including rape and gang rape in at least three locations in southern Israel.

The team also found a pattern of victims - mostly women - found fully or partially naked, bound and shot across multiple locations which “may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence”.

In some locations the mission said it could not verify reported incidents of rape.

Or is the UN an Israeli propaganda machine, now?

[–] Linkerbaan 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (37 children)

Since that UN report is citing Zaka (40 beheaded babies) as a "credible source," it is indeed complete propaganda.

New breaking points video debunking this report with an important takeaway:

The UN is not a monolith. There are certain employees fully willing to spread certain narratives, and this is one of them.

[–] assassin_aragorn 3 points 8 months ago

Long story short, there's no new substantive evidence beyond what the NYT already said? And considering how badly the NYT fucked up with their recent poll, I'm even more inclined than before to doubt their story.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

New breaking points video debunking this report

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[–] Mammal 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Thing is: There's plenty Hamas & related groups did on Oct 7th to enrage a population - no exaggeration is necessary.

However, there ISN'T enough to justify a genocide ... especially since Israelis have been torturing Palestinians for decades.

Israel needs to de-humanize the locals to the point where the population can justify an ethnic cleansing. Hence: Ridiculous accusations of using breasts as foot-balls and mass rape.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I mean I suppose there are a few ways you could read this.

One is that the NYT article was inaccurate - it wouldn't be the first time that fake news around this conflict has travelled halfway around the world before the truth has had its breakfast.

But another interpretation is that tight-knit communities don't want the full horror of the final moments of these girls and women to be so publicly exposed to the world. The article points out that the NYT article effectively identified the individuals and that can't have been a helpful experience for their surviving families and friends.

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