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Oh good, they weren't raped and murdered, they were just murdered.
That's a relief.
It's awful, but it's still important to report accurately on such terrible events.
Fair point, but it's not the win some people here seem to think it is.
Thing is: There's plenty Hamas & related groups did on Oct 7th to enrage a population - no exaggeration is necessary.
However, there ISN'T enough to justify a genocide ... especially since Israelis have been torturing Palestinians for decades.
Israel needs to de-humanize the locals to the point where the population can justify an ethnic cleansing. Hence: Ridiculous accusations of using breasts as foot-balls and mass rape.
Well yes supposedly Hamas was using rape as a weapon of war. Which is factally not true.
Hamas did do some war crimes such as shooting non-combatants. It's important that our newspapers don't just completely make up facts about mass-rapes.
According to the UN
Or is the UN an Israeli propaganda machine, now?
Since that UN report is citing Zaka (40 beheaded babies) as a "credible source," it is indeed complete propaganda.
New breaking points video debunking this report with an important takeaway:
The UN is not a monolith. There are certain employees fully willing to spread certain narratives, and this is one of them.
Long story short, there's no new substantive evidence beyond what the NYT already said? And considering how badly the NYT fucked up with their recent poll, I'm even more inclined than before to doubt their story.
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You are disgusting human being.
The truth must hurt you a lot. I'm sorry.
Truth what? Faking rape is not good, denying true rape case is even worse. Fucking moron.
Tell the IDF to stop faking rape claims then. They told us back in November they had mountains of forensic evidence and thousands of witnesses. And now they can't find a single CCTV recording and they lost the forensic evidence? They can't even find two "witnesses" which corroborate a story.
Until you find evidence it's rather obvious these are nothing but lies to manufacture consent for the Genocide of Gaza.
A thousand false rape claims doesn't make israel trustworthy.
Back in october the IDF claimed they had forensic evidence of rape. Did they drop the evidence?
You think israel maybe uhhhh lied?
Who said about thousand? Know your place.
This garbage far left keeps spouting nonsense.
'Hamas never raped anyone. Yes I believe that.'
There now satisfied?
If people say you raped someone would you like them to present evidence?
Especially if their claims keep getting proven false showing that actually no rape happened. Stooping so low to use Zaka as a source for their claims.
Would you accept it if people just randomly started calling you a rapist too?
There we go again, rape did not happen. Hamas so clear.
Bye.
You can keep screaming it over and over. Consider coming with evidence. People tend to take you more seriously when you do that.
What's that, there's no evidence?
There is eyewitness evidence, which you ignore as usual.
But it's interesting to see that you think the UN is not a credible source. No doubt you'll still keep quoting them when it serves your needs
No it's literally Zaka and the discredited paramedic.
The UN employee got questioned by Journalists today and it's just the same stuff from this NYT article.
A complete embaressment
The UN team did way more than that. It "conducted 33 meetings with Israeli representatives, examining more than 5,000 photographic images and 50 hours of video footage. It conducted 34 confidential interviews including with survivors and witnesses of the 7 October attacks, released hostages, first responders and others."
Yes you just mentioned Zaka in there.
And after reviewing the footage the UN found zero evidence of rape.
Wrong, they "found that there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in multiple locations, including rape and gang rape in at least three locations in southern Israel."
Just repeating "Zaka" over and over won't make evidence disappear, as much as you wish it would.
Can you cite those locations?
They are in the UN report, so obviously you didn't even bother reading it before dismissing it.
I did read it. It did not contain evidence. Did you read it?
Yes, I read it. If you think multiple eyewitnesses and photos don't count as evidence, then you must think rape is not a real problem.
Do you also think there is no evidence that E Jean Carroll was raped by Donald Trump?
Jean E carrol personally said she was raped and it seems credible from the evidence. why would I not believe her?
Are there any israelis personally saying they were raped?
What evidence is there of Carroll's rape besides an eyewitness account?
There are multiple eyewitness accounts of rape/murder on 10/7. Furthermore, released hostages gave firsthand accounts to the UN of rape while in captivity.
But you only accept eyewitness accounts when they fit your narrative. That's why nobody should believe Hamas' denials.
Carroll herself claims being victim not an eyewitness. Did anyone claim being a victim of Hamas rape?
You clearly have not read the UN report as that is absolutely not what it says. No released hostage has claimed to have witnessed any rape.
UN:
What information can you read it for me?
No need, because the UN summarized it for me. Just as I believe there are 30,000 dead Gazans, even though I don't have a list of names and proof they are dead.
No doubt you too believe there are 30,000 dead Gazans, based on someone else's summary. Which as usual means you only believe facts that fit your narrative.
No you said firsthand witness what you just read wasn't that. It was someone that said they "heard a rumor while in captivity." They never witnessed it.
Reading is truly difficult.
The UN literally said they had firsthand accounts.
Reading truly is difficult.
First hand accounts of rumors they heard. Not of rape which what you claimed.
Which in layman's terms means "we spoke a hostage that said they heard someone say that there was rape but they never saw any rape nor were they sexually violated themselves".
I don't think you understand what "firsthand account" means.
Yes, the UN report says there are multiple eyewitness accounts of rape, on 10/7 as well as from freed captives.
If you didn't know, a "firsthand" account is a synonym for an eyewitness account.
No released hostage has claimed to have witnesss any rape so far. Only heard stories. If I'm wrong you are welcome to link it to me so I can chance my mind
Your cognitive dissonance is so overwhelming that you can't even accept that words have meanings.
You can spin imaginary tales if it helps you sleep. But everyone else who reads the UN report understands what they wrote. Those hostages saw rapes firsthand.
Hahahahaha
No.
Yes
In this one specific instance it wasn't true, sure.
More like all specific instances. this current article is now even debunking the "anonymous" claims.