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Move is to comply with state law passed by Governor Ron DeSantis that prohibits public funding of DEI programs

Archived version: https://archive.ph/2NkY3

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 8 months ago (6 children)

“Higher education must return to its essential foundations of academic integrity and the pursuit of knowledge instead of being corrupted by destructive ideologies,” Florida’s commissioner of education, Manny Diaz Jr, said. The actions, he added, would ensure taxpayer money won’t be spent on DEI and “radical indoctrination that promotes division in our society”.

This is coming from a commissioner of education? Wow I am glad I don't live in the US.

[–] PunnyName 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Appointed position. Which was a change that voters voted for. It's all stupid all the way down.

[–] Badeendje 2 points 8 months ago

I agree. I fully support DEI programs. But what I don't understand is how some of these positions end up being filled by rabid lunatics that end up saying the most bizarre shit, that ends up fueling these kind of changes.

We need to fix the system, but a the people that enjoyed the actual benefits of the privilege are not the ones affected by the current changes. And the goal should be to lift all, and not push some down.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Well, it is a rather divisive ideology, simply as a matter of fact.

Here's New Jersey, not exactly a Republican stronghold:

Overall, 42% of employed New Jersey adults considered diversity among their peers “essential,” 29% said it was “important but not essential,” and 28% said “not essential.” While 64% of employed Democrats regarded it as “essential,” only 42% of employed independents and a mere 17% of employed Republicans echoed this sentiment; 52% of Republicans say it is “not important,” compared to 9% of Democrats.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

71% of all adults say DEI is important but your take is that it's a divisive topic?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I found another poll specifically about DEI programs:

A majority of workers (56%) say focusing on increasing diversity, equity and inclusion at work is mainly a good thing; 28% say it is neither good nor bad, and 16% say it is a bad thing. Views on this vary along key demographic and partisan lines.

And a poll specifically about the Florida ban:

  1. Do you support or oppose laws banning diversity, equity, and inclusion programs from colleges and universities?
  • Support 39%
  • Oppose 50%
  • Neither support nor oppose 7%
  • Unsure 4%

So you do have a point. Apparently even the average Republican doesn't have strong negative feelings against DEI programs, with only 30% calling them a bad thing. In Florida, opposition to DEI is stronger than average, but even there more people oppose the ban than support it. I would still say that 30% to 40% opposition makes the issue relatively divisive, especially since the opposition is so concentrated in one political party. However, I admit that it apparently isn't as divisive as I thought it was before going through these polls more carefully.

(I'm not sure how to reconcile the results of these polls with the way Republicans actually vote.)

[–] AstridWipenaugh 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think the devil is in the details. Most people support DEI as a concept; very few people believe diversity, as a concept, is bad. I'm personally supportive of DEI in general, but I have mixed feelings about it in practice.

My employer has a pretty broad and active program. They hold informational sessions hosted by the different DEI groups throughout the year. Those sessions provide visibility for the groups, but the content is pretty shallow. I assume it feels good to have those sessions for you if you belong to one of the groups though.

The actual things the DEI program effects are a mixed bag of results. Women and some racial minority groups have increased representation in the company since the groups were created. That's good. But if you're a white cishet male, you'll never encounter any of our recruiters. Recruiting works with the DEI groups to target their special-interest recruiting events. There aren't any inclusion groups that allow white cishet males, so we end up not going to any events they're allowed to attend. Of course, anyone can apply through public channels, but direct recruitment gets priority over web applicants. This effectively means we will only consider a white cishet male if there's nobody else. This structure would be wildly illegal if it were any other group that was excluded in that way, but instead we see that situation lauded as a good thing.

I don't have access to any career coaching or employee support groups because those things are all offered through DEI groups, and I'm not welcome to join any of the groups (I'm only allowed to attend virtual webinars as an ally). There are lots of outside of work team building events as well, but I'm not invited to those either.

I keep hearing that equity isn't a zero-sum game, but it sure feels like it is from where I'm sitting. I want to speak up and say I should have access to the same resources and benefits as everyone else instead of being excluded based on my race, gender, and orientation. But DEI programs have taught me that whites, males, and cishets take up too much air in the room and I should always yield to literally anyone else in the name of equity.

TL;DR DEI feels divisive when there is no inclusion group that includes you

[–] laughterlaughter 11 points 8 months ago

Be glad you don't live in Florida. The U.S. has sane States.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

promotes division

You just gotta love that "we're trying to have everyone be treated equally" gets spun as promoting division. It's the exact fucking oppost

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just curious which part of this statement makes you happy that you are not in US?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (5 children)

The part where he calls diversity and inclusion a destructive ideology or radical indoctrination. I wouldn't want my education officials saying stuff like that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

radical indoctrination that promotes division

It's just bizarre.

"Inclusivity promotes division!"

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 8 months ago

As an autist i am not explicitly targeted by facism but i have always been aware of how these dominoes fall.

After lgbt and people of color i am next in line.

Fuck this Nazi scum

[–] NegativeLookBehind 57 points 8 months ago

Fucking Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I am about as far away as one can be from Florida while still residing in the US, and it’s just not far enough.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Washington here. And I’m inclined to agree. Though I used to live in FL, so it’s very conflicting for me. I miss friends and places, but simultaneously want it to be sent out into the ocean and sunk like Atlantis.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] BaronVonBort 2 points 8 months ago

Christians: “#Hegetsus! Jesus had a diverse group of friends and loved everyone!”

Also Christians:

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The crazy thing is how they don't see how this will only make the view of those educated in Florida as less than that of say NY. Companies like, Google, are pretty selective and if this part of their education is gone this isn't going to give anyone a leg up in the selection process but rather will explain why graduates from FL have a harder time getting along with, relating to, and working with their team members.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Not going to lie, if I had an application on my desk that came from a Floridian, I'd check them very closely to see if they're sane. Besides potentially having a lacking education.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Florida and Texas need to be thrown out.

[–] JJROKCZ 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I sometimes look at the states that constituted the CSA and realize I wouldn’t really miss much if were kicked them all out

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What problem does that solve? You're effectivelty advocating for them to be free to make their own laws and decisions like is already being done here.

[–] JJROKCZ 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They’re no longer a drain on American resources at that point, all of those states take more resources from the fed than they give

[–] FraidyBear 2 points 8 months ago

There are people in these states who have called it their home for their entire lives, they can't get out and have no family anywhere else. Sane people who are terrified of what's happening and are literally begging for help but all anyone sees is this shit so they think we are all the same. I'm literally begging the US or Europe to come and fucking help the southern US, do fucking ANYTHING at this point, please.

[–] Maalus 7 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Soo let me get this right. These programs made it easier for people of certain races or gender to apply to the university? And they got rid of that? How is it bad in any way?

[–] CitizenKong 16 points 8 months ago (20 children)

Privilege is a thing you know. Being fair doesn't mean letting the one with the headstart just run and wait for others to catch up.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Guess we don't fix racism with more racism. Meritocracy FTW. It is already illegal to discriminate by race, Federally. Smart people can come from any race.

If I am reading the source right, it is not stopping people from applying for jobs. It is getting rid of DEI departments. Which could or likely have white hires, too.

In Harvard, they were making up lies about Asian applicants and their characters in order to prop up black student's lower scores via personality traits, which was well, DEI in action. This part did not make the news much.

This was found in the court case through discovery, everyone should read it. It was wild, and seemingly the main reason and drive why Affirmative Action was cancelled and overturned.

Road to hell paved with good intentions and all that jazz.

[–] Maalus 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The sad part is, people here seem to not agree with that, instead supporting what essentially is racism and prefferrential treatment.

[–] laughterlaughter 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not about preferential treatment. Because if it was preferential treatment, well, white folks have had that for centuries.

It's about leveling things up. Yes, smart people come from all backgrounds. But if that smart person has a cognitive burden of worrying about basic stuff that other smart people don't have too, he/she will be at disadvantage when seeking opportunities to advance.

I'm not saying I'm an expert, and that you're totally wrong and I'm totally right. It's just that the topic is not that simple as black and white (heh.)

[–] Maalus 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It is that simple. In the other comment you made, I brought up Europe as an example on how to do things right. You are trying to argue semantics, when the thing is very simple. You don't call it prefferential treatment, you try to make it sound better to the reader, when it is exactly that. Prefferring candidates that are of a specific background, decided by people arbitrairly choosing the amount of leeway someone gets, or who those people are. It's downright immoral.

If I would complain, that my company failed when making a product because I went bankrupt, and then pointed a finger at a millionaire, saying "give me this contract instead of him because I come from a poorer upbringing", I would be laughed at everywhere. And this is exactly what this is.

[–] laughterlaughter 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Europe is not some utopia in which discrimination does not exist and everyone is equal.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm okay with them considering things other than strictly academics. It should be up to the uni to decide what kind of institution they want to be.

[–] Maalus 5 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Would you be okay when they said "whites only" then?

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[–] TIMMAY 4 points 8 months ago

Meatball Ron, now with extra salt

[–] Godric 4 points 8 months ago

The "Marketplace of Ideas" in action

/s

[–] RizzRustbolt 2 points 8 months ago

Might as well have Brendan Small and his cadre of death metal musicians be governor of Florida now.

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