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[-] yamanii 71 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

yeah, didn't work in brazil, we just opened up for the right to elect their dumbass just before the pandemic started, it was grim, please do vote for the lesser evil.

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[-] [email protected] 62 points 1 month ago

My voting strategy is super easy. You don't need to keep up with politics or policy. Just see who the KKK is voting for and then vote for the other guy.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

As an outsider, it's really depressing to hear you only get two parties to choose from.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

We have to keep it forever though, because some dead slave owners thought up the perfect government, apparently.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

by far my favorite part about this is that thomas jefferson thought the constitution should be rewritten from scratch every 25 years but that hasn't stopped every conservative politician ever from treating it like gospel

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[-] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago

Got it, should riot instead.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago

You should.

You won't though.

[-] AnyOldName3 20 points 1 month ago

A riot on your own is just a tantrum. There's no point of you're not organised.

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[-] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago

You can hate all the candidates and still vote for the less shitty one.

[-] CrayonRosary 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You can hate the concept of government in it's entirety and still vote. Even Lysander Spooner, a total anarchist, said as much in his writings. He said government is completely illegitimate, but there's nothing wrong with voting when you are forced into the system, and doing so does not imply your consent to the system. It's like a torturer asking you how you'd prefer to be tortured. It's OK to have an opinion. Over here in the USA, I'd rather suffer Sleepy Genocidal Joe than that fucking orange monster. Since we don't have ranked choice voting, I have to pick one or else I don't get any say at all, and that's exactly how the powers-that-be want it.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Yep. Do you want a festering carbuncle on your ass or do you want AIDS, Ebola, leprosy and testicle cancer combined? Shitty choice but an easy one nonetheless.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

CGP Grey's Rules for Rulers spells out power structures in authoritarian and democratic countries really well.

If you vote, you are saying "I can support you, or I can support the other guy, but I will support someone" whereas not voting tells politicians you are politically useless, so they won't pay any attention to your needs.

It's a cynical way of looking at it, but if the no. 1 imperative for a politician is reelection, spending time doing things that will get you more votes is better than wasting time pleasing people who probably won't vote anyway.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Honestly sometimes I think every country should have its own Sinn Féin of sorts. Just a party that never takes its seats. Yeah, try calling it the "same thing" when you can't pass any legislation or form coalitions or get anything done because a third of the seats in the national legislature are literally left empty on purpose. Don't like it? Well, it's your problem that your party is literally less electable than No Representation!

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

In the US that would almost literally be voting in Republicans. They want the system to crawl to a halt, and critical functions are legislated to frequently sunset so they can hold the system hostage on a regular basis.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

If somebody tells you not to vote, they know who you would have voted for and rather you didn't.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

ITT: people shouting "nuh uh" at the post.

I'm fairly convinced that Lemmy has been compromised with an inordinate amount of Russian propaganda relay bots.

[-] samus12345 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lemmy's so small I have my doubts it's that widespread. We have a good amount of extreme left true believers here.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Agreed, that's why the strategy of voting uncommitted and/or third party is superior.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Except it’s a primary where he’s running against himself basically.

That’s the point. It’s a primary, it’s not the general election. They’re showing up and saying “we’re your voters and you know what our message is.”

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[-] Aceticon 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Whilst I'm not in US with it's Power Duopoly system, were I've lived I've always made a point of voting in the elections I can vote, and if none of the options appeals to me, I just vote blank.

Abstention out of principle does get mixed with abstention out of laziness, out of disconnect from politics or simply because of not being able to go vote, but a blank vote is a statement of "I did go to the trouble of going to vote just to register my dissatisfaction with all available options".

I've also been on the other side (manning a voting place) and I don't recommend spoiling your vote (if voting with a paper ballot) as whilst the people talling the votes will indeed see your beautiful artistic depiction of male genitalia or read your strongly worded message of disgust with the selection of candidates available, it won't go beyond them as in the tally it just gets mixed with people that incorrectly filled-in the ballot (such as multiple marks, marks significantly outside the box or, in the US, hanging chads).

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

In France you can vote "blank" which is counted separately to absentees.

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[-] captainlezbian 21 points 1 month ago

Low turnout doesn’t change their minds it makes them think they need to either go further to the center or that Americans are too lazy

[-] kameecoding 33 points 1 month ago

Low turnout consistently favors republicans, that's why they do all they can to make it harder to vote, not going out to vote is basically for the republicans, who are at this point, basically a Fascist party.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

If you can, please go vote. You give the vote up to the person you like the least if you don’t show up. I know this election sucks and the candidates aren’t the best. But is there someone you absolutely don’t want in office no matter what? I have one in mind and you better believe I’m showing up to vote for the only guy who can have a chance to keep him away. These other third party guys have no chance, like always. If you don’t show up to vote or vote third party as a throwaway, then don’t complain for the next four years.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

To solve this, find out how to register a protest vote and do that. Not voting is ambiguous, as is spoiling your ballot paper. What you need is a formally recognised way to vote "None of the above" or something similar, so that your intent is 100% clear.

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[-] Clubbing4198 17 points 1 month ago

you realize this is talking about not voting in a PRIMARY, for a nomination he can't lose, right? tlaib is not suggesting that they don't vote in the general for biden. she is saying write uncommitted in the PRIMARY. personally I don't think that will pressure them enough. a large number of people denying biden a vote in the general might make them get the picture though.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

That is only true in the undemocratic 2 party system of the US.

In places where they actually have multiple parties, say 10 or so at least. It is hard to not find a party that you like more than the others.

So if someone doesn't vote, it means none of the parties are good enough. Otherwise they would vote blank. And if too many people do not vote, it sends a clear signal to the government that they need to change something fast in order to prevent an uprising.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

We need ranked choice voting. First past the post virtually guarantees a two party system.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just don’t go with the mistake we have in Australia where your vote has to transfer.

At the end of the day we effectively have a two party system, because eventually any minor party will funnel their votes towards the two large and near identical NeoLib parties.

So all left votes go to Labor and all right votes go to Liberal, as such Labor don’t give a shit about leftist voters and instead try to poach right wing Lib voters because they know there’s zero chance the left will ever preference Lib so they can’t lose them.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No, the problem isn't not voting, it's only voting, a distinction those of you who are dedicated to doing the latter refuse to acknowledge.

It is people who look at the system and think that a tick in a box once every four years can or ever will change that system, but in actuality only maintains it, who are the ones who need to be rethinking their strategy. 🙄

[-] xantoxis 12 points 1 month ago

Nobody refuses to acknowledge this. It comes up in every single one of these goddamn threads.

There are just too many people who are a little bit lazy and think this gives them an excuse not to show up at all. A way to feel self-justified about it: well both sides are bad, so I'll go jack off some more. Downballot? I don't know what that is because I've never seen a ballot. Because I do this every election.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

The other problem problem with it is that it’s mostly right-wing propaganda intended to disenfranchise democratic voters.

And it’s INCREDIBLY effective.

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[-] NutWrench 14 points 1 month ago

When your choices in an election are between "boring corporatists" and "100% concentrated evil" you don't have the luxury of sitting this election out with your adorable little "protest vote."

If authoritarians win the next election, you won't have to worry about voting ever again.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

It is however easier to explain to people that those in power do not have popular support if there are less people that voted for them. I am not saying it is a good idea, but I am trying to say that this goes both ways. As some user previously said, voting for lesser of two evils and voting for absolute support is also indistinguishable.

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[-] vane 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

you should be able to vote :

  1. anytime
  2. for anyone in the country that have full citizen rights
  3. electronically - privately using your private key signed and acknowledged by gov
  4. over whole period you can change your vote anytime
  5. counting votes and reset should be every 4 - 5 years depending on terms
  6. before counting votes everyone should get notification one month, one week, one day before and only if you didn't vote hour, 15 minutes before counting
  7. if you didn't vote your voting account should be disabled and removed from pool until you pay the fine to bring it back.

that's all, let's bring the voting to 21st century lol

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