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[–] Vorticity 169 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't understand why companies who commit blatant fraud like this aren't required to disgorge all fraudulently earned money. If someone defrauds banks they get fined based on their earnings in a way that hurts. If someone defrauds consumers for "tens of millions of dollars" they are only fined $16M.

Well, actually I do understand, I just don't like it and don't like what it says about this country's priorities.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

By New York state law you are, any "ill gotten gains" must be surrendered. And the fine accumulates interest during any appeals to boot. it's why Trump is getting his nearly half a billion dollar fine. I wish all fraud laws were that way though. I believe most are typically based on common law fraud, and usually there's some kind of flat fine and the the rest is based off provable damages to other parties, rather than the amount of profit.

[–] piecat 7 points 10 months ago

Yep. Things don't have to be this way.

[–] [email protected] 148 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Sounds like avast is malware

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

Has been all along.

[–] Lev_Astov 6 points 10 months ago

Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service you get from a large company, you aren't their customer, you're their product.

[–] PoliticallyIncorrect 119 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

When the antivirus becomes the virus..

[–] diffcalculus 61 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

🌎🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago

I remember a long time ago when Avast came highly recommended, at least back when I had gone looking for reviews. Back when antivirus was still more or less a necessity.

[–] SpeedLimit55 68 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I haven’t heard anything about Avast in years, didn’t even know it still existed.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Wait, they're not common anymore? Lol It's what I use. Any suggestions for better ones?

[–] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft defender, ublock origin and keep your computer up to date.

[–] rtxn 27 points 10 months ago (4 children)

And practice Layer-8 security, i.e. don't be an idiot.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

That's not really a choice you can make. Also idiots don't know they're idiots.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

The whole don't be an idiot thing doesn't work well with most people. Most people just gøøg|€ everything and most likely don't have a clue when they're being sent to fake sites that will give them viruses. And some of them will even see macrohard defender essentially saying "Hey! You Fucked Up!" and ignore it because they surely know better than a computer.

I personally like to think that computer literacy right now is similar to back when people were just starting to push for everyone to be literate. Big difference is phones destroying that effort for computer literacy by oversimplifying everything.

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[–] BassTurd 25 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I haven't run anything other than free Windows defender since it was available I believe in Windows 7. Never had a virus or anything malicious. Don't download files that you don't know the source of. Don't click on mystery links. Don't visit insecure websites. And as mentioned, keep your system up to date and you'll be fine.

[–] pensivepangolin 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah people act like it’s so easy to get a virus but if you’re even remotely competent it’s pretty easy to avoid

[–] BassTurd 19 points 10 months ago

I worked geek squad for years. The vast majority of malware was people downloading free games or free software and then not checking the custom install settings to uncheck the "install McAfee security scanner" or whatever toolbar and redirection it was at the time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Never had a virus or anything malicious.

That you know about.

Don't assume you are fine just because your antivirus doesn't alert you about viruses.

This goes for every AV, not just Defender.

That being said, I am also just using Defender snd it has worked well.

I used to run F-Secure, and I like it, but eh Defender is good enough.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Defender + common sense usually works as long as youre not using it like a public library.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Bitdefender and Malwarebytes are good ones and rated well.

[–] linearchaos 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh, that's good now do Microsoft

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] postmateDumbass 7 points 10 months ago

Or ... reddit.

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[–] TK420 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How the mighty have fallen

[–] FrankTheHealer 2 points 10 months ago

I remember when Avast was considered the least shit or at least, one of the less shit options for Antivirus. Pretty much seems all those antivirus products are just malware with marketing teams now.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh boy, I sure do hope this happens to other companies that do it!

FakeSpot by Mozilla: sells browsing history to advertising partners

Side eyeing the camera

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fakespot's entire thing seems to be being a cringy AI tool. I feel like whoever uses it should/would understand that this data is leaving their grasp.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Make sure to check your Firefox about:config for "shopping2023" or whatever flag they called it... Soon we'll all have Fakespot installed

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[–] CyberDine 4 points 10 months ago

If you're gonna pay for Antivirus, shout out to ESET NOD32.

They have gotten a bit expensive though. I'm buying a 1 year sub for $10 on Black Friday.

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