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Apparently my love language is installing @linux on the laptops of people I really care about.

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[–] atmur 31 points 10 months ago (4 children)

So far I’ve switched 4 people to Linux (with approval and interest obviously, plus unlimited tech support lol). 3 are happier with it than Windows and the other liked Linux but had to switch back to Windows due to some audio production software they needed.

It’s also secretly been an experiment to see what distro is the most user friendly. I have one on Linux Mint, one on Debian, and the other on Fedora Silverblue. All three have been great, but I think the winner is Silverblue so far. I don’t love how quick Silverblue versions become EoL, but it’s also the distro with the easiest updater. It’s an Apple level of simplicity; click update, restart at some point, done. No scary package lists or changelogs, just a nice blue button to press.

Also Flatpak + Flathub continues to be a huge contributor in making Linux friendly to normal people, in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Id really love to get my mom on Silverblue but she refuses to use Libreoffice.

Office 2023 is a little jank in WINE unfortunately 😞

She'd be such an easy candidate otherwise, she only needs office, email, and Internet and loves the Thinkpad I gave her.

[–] hangonasecond 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The browser versions aren't too awful, if that's an option.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Its way worse than Libreoffice tbh. They removed random stuff like pagination.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just tell her to get gud and start using ViM for everything

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

That would explain why her tea is always cold. She doesn't want to risk losing work by leaving without saving but gets stuck in Insert mode.

[–] seadoo 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What about onlyoffice? The UI is a lot more modern which is probably the issue right?

[–] NateSwift 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The issue I’ve run into is primarily compatibility with existing documents and being able to share it with other in industry. Like it or not, for business in the US, the office suite is pretty much the only document & spreadsheet application you can expect everyone to have.

It’s not fair to ask people who aren’t interested in learning linux to deal with the incompatibilities between Libre/Open office and O365 because “I don’t like Microsoft”. If they’re pushing to move away from MS and understand this, I’d still probably recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice because moving someone from a well maintained industry standard Microsoft product to a less supported and less compatible Oracle app seems irresponsible.

Edit: The whole second paragraph is about OpenOffice and not OnlyOffice. Please disregard

[–] EuroNutellaMan 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] NateSwift 1 points 10 months ago

Thank you! It appears I cannot read

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I’ve got ZorinOS 17 running on a laptop I share with my partner. Her initial reaction was “what is this?” but now that she’s used to it, she’s been happy.

Silverblue looks quite interesting, I might give it a go in a VM. As long as it kinda looks like Windows it shouldn’t be too hard of a transition

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I am fascinated by your user friendliness experiment and I often daydream about conducting one myself. I would be interested in reading a more detailed write-up of the advantages and disadvantages of each option.

For Debian, did you consider setting up unattended upgrades?

Would you consider adding an RHEL/CentOS derivative such as AlmaLinux to the mix? The current version of AlmaLinux is supposed to be supported until 2032. The EPEL repository brings the software selection a little bit closer to Fedora.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I'd also consider CentOS Stream for desktop use, as it's probably a good mix between Fedora and RHEL, being more stable than Fedora and more up-to-date than RHEL.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Cool, agree on Fedora Atomic but you cant dualboot which is a huge problem for many.

A person I know has an education in basically Adobe software. Completely insane but this is a thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

If I recall silver blue needed you to choose the new default at boot ( after uograde). is it still like that? if so I'd go with OpenSUSE GNOME, you get and update notice on the top notice bar , click update and packages install. Reboot defaults to latest snapshot

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Please don't force Linux onto people, it'll only make them hate it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I assume they are installing it with their approval...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've installed Linux on my old family PC. It's been two years and they haven't noticed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

What a madlad.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

With consent is perfectly fine, yeah

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

@isVeryLoud
dw consent comes first🥵🥵 their machine, their choice (until the manufacturer has their saying, that is)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I've noticed a lot of people are moving to it on there own.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

Yes that way they're trapped and need you for tech support, classic move.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

These days installing Linux and upgrading it is easier than it was years ago. Installing Linux can be a good deed indeed :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

If you use modern and painless distro.models. I had a Fedora Atomic bug and the alternative was literally just rebasing to the same OS but automatically the same version and it worked.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

This person here is doing the Lord's work. Thank you, OP, and have a great day.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I love Linux and I think a lot of my non-technical family members would benefit from it, but I am not as brave as you. The danger with messing around with someone's computer is that you are basically taking ownership of all tech problems the person may run into. It's like the "You break it, you buy it" rule. The person may seek help from another tech geek, but as soon as that geek finds out they're dealing with a "weird" Linux system, they're going to run away from it. You are effectively volunteering to be 24x7 on-call tech support for the people whose laptops you've installed Linux on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@stormio
(not even a) hot take: if they think a Linux system is weird, they are not a real tech geek.

But yeah, that is why I only install extremely stable stuff. So that I am basically never asked for shit

[–] Joelk111 2 points 10 months ago

That's a gatekeeper-y take. I tried Linux a few years back, so I guess I became a "real" tech geek a few years ago. Never mind the fact that I was 3/4 the way through a CS degree, I'd built my own computer, and was the go-to tech guy in my family. But nope, not yet a tech geek.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

If you are gonna have to be anyway, it may as well be one you can run bash scripts on over ssh

[–] Joelk111 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I'm not sure what OP is on about or how they get away with it. I'd get phone calls for how to use outlook and MS word. I'm fortunate to have a fairly tech literate grandma, but she is old, which means set in her ways. She probably could use Linux, but she would not see the point in putting in the effort to switch habits.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I usually just mention it. I don't give to many details and before you know it they will need tech support.

[–] Joelk111 9 points 10 months ago

If I did this they wouldn't be my loved ones for long...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

How does this work?? This is a mastodon post but it appears on Lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

OP tagged Linux in the post and that specific tag actually links to [email protected] resulting in the Mastodon post being posted to the community

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

They both use the ActivityPub protocol, this means that Lemmy and Mastodon can communicate with each other.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Yes, the question was how specifically this worked, think I have understood

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

It is really important that those loved ones understand your language, or else they would get annoyed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I usually install MX or LMDE. MX KDE and LMDE Cinnamon on newer machines. MX xfce and LMDE xfce on older machiness.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

@linux
whoops I did it again.

@alpinelinux as a single-boot daily driver for a #windows user with some past @ubuntu experience

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

@foxy @linux same but that's a retribution method for me

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