Of course they're gonna claim they won. Most people don't realise the sheer amount of bot generated content on there anyway, which has only increased.
this post was submitted on 08 Jul 2023
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It’s going to dramatically increase. BotDefence, a popular moderator tool, is shutting down
I've seen way less quality content on a few subs I enjoy. And on the biggest sub I mod, there was barely anything posted.
bUt tHe bOtS wIlL hAvE tO pAy FoR tHe ApI tOo
i honestly wonder if they'll try to sell investors on this absolutely braindead take. after all, easier to ask for forgiveness five years later in court when you already appointed the right scapegoats
Before the protest, going to /r/all would show you posts with ages between 30 minutes and 3 hours. Today, on /r/all, there isn't a post less than 10 hours old in the first 40 entries. The content has changed from primarily trending news interspersed with memes to about 90% memes and shitposts padded with a few soft news summaries and opinion pieces.
In comparison, my Fediverse feed has exploded. The quality of content is at the level of pre-Digg reddit, and the commentary at a significantly higher level. There's still not as much of an audience, particularly in niche communities, but it feels like that's changing quickly. It's clear to me that the creative drivers of reddit - the mods, the content creators, and the engaged commentators - have left, and that the traffic is being maintained by a mostly non-participating readership that uses Reddit as entertainment, not a community.
Reddit crushed the creative spirit of its most active populations. Whatever wins Spez is claiming, it's come at the cost of what made the site worthwhile to begin with.
That’s an interesting take. If reddit can claim victory, it would be a hollow one, even if the remaining mods do cave.
Reddit has been careful to set the goalposts entirely in the realm they control, they ensured that in public communication "victory" means having the remaining subs open up. Ultimately, they do have final say over what is actually served on reddit.com. However, what they cannot control is their users, the contributors who built their empire for free. And they did a piss poor job of keeping us around.
They can force mods out, but they won't be able to force them back in. As for users, I have no doubt they managed to push away the ones most resistant to monetization, but if that really was their strategy, whichever moron came up with that really needs to google the 1-9-90 principle.
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A note about niche community audience: the community count number only shows the number of poeple on your instance subscribed, not the total number. The only exception is if the community is on that server.
There is a PR for lemmy to make this a little more clear, but its not implemented yet.
Completely agree. I think it’s just going to become a very mainstream basic place for basic discussion, probably with a lot of mean comments, racism, bigotry, etc. It wasn’t that way when I joined and it had already fallen pretty far when I left last month.
It’s not going to die as a site but the community is already gone.
I saw that article and i thought, "Reddit won? I lost? That's funny, because i kinda feel like I'm winning."
Yeah it feels like a useless competition. They felt the need to be bragging of ‘winning’ against their customers or products. I didn’t come here to win. I came here to not fight with that nonsense.
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Gaslight me daddy!
Saw Lemmy, never looking back. I hated the mobile web interface anyway.
Yeah reddit won. But the whole fiasco led me to lemmy which I like much more, so they can have their cake
Lemmy and Kbin won.
Reddit came out of it possibly still standing, but obviously weakened in many ways compared to before. Meanwhile, over here there's now a bunch of activity and the development and servers seem to be well funded. And we (the Fediverse) didn't even participate in the fight - it was all Reddit punching itself in the face.
The consumers also won, as we now have viable alternatives to choose from.
Maybe the fact that Reddit is still alive and active could be considered "winning", in which case Musk's Twitter is also "winning" every day. But that's one hell of a low bar for what should be considered a victory in a fight you yourself started.
And didn't they lose like half their value in prep for IPO?
We're still waiting for actual figures, the 7% often cited was from weeks before the protest. Reddit Inc's behavior was extremely unprofessional, they did an absolutely terrible job at controlling their community, and the quality content that's the main driver for Reddit's success has took a massive hit as they alienated their core niche. They will undoubtedly vilify said core niche in their communications, in an attempt to fool prospective investors into thinking they just "got rid of a bunch of nerds who were against their totally sane monetization practices", but what they really did is they cut off the 1 from the 1-9-90 rule, they drove away their core contributors who kept the other 9% of users engaged and the remaining 90% lurking and still consuming ads.
The real impact to Reddit's platform isn't going to happen today or tomorrow, the damage will take months to set in as the reduced value of content results in reduced user engagement and retention. And by the time they see the charts, it will be too late to act. As for their valuation, it is up in the air due to the delayed effect, but any smart investor should see the clear signs shown here and exercise extreme caution about the valuation they assign to Reddit. The site appears to perform better for now, because it's easy to force dissenting voices off the platform, reign in unruly mod teams and force them to open up their communities to their specifications, but pulling the lost users back on the platform, especially their most valuable and connected contributors whose trust and buy-in is now thoroughly broken, is not something Reddit can force. And it's crystal clear that Reddit can no longer accomplish anything regarding its community without use of force. They lost the carrot and only have a stick now, and sticks don't bring value to your platform.
Yup, imagine starting a fight, after which the other person beats you with a baseball bat a few times and just kicks you while your down for a while and eventually gets bored and walks away... And then you get up and declare, "I Won!"
Elmo's twitter has taugh spez that you just take the hit and push through. Reddit has now alienated its powerusers, lost some historical content, and most of all decreased its potential for quality content. I believe that spez will even accept a decrease in MAUs. Any positive change now will have to come from other stakeholders.
I was one of the top 1% karma earners on Reddit last year (just saying as a measure of activity). I left it at the blackout and I'm not going back.
Same.
So it WAS a game to him. Glad I stopped playing it.
Very well presented. Strong points distilled to conciseness.
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