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A Drug Test Cost a D.E.A. Agent His Job. He Sued, and Got It Back. (www.nytimes.com)

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[–] WeeSheep 20 points 9 months ago (3 children)

CBD is not federally illegal, just THC. You can purchase them separately now. I can't tell if he was wrongfully fired or if he had THC in his system.

[–] givesomefucks 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Tests can't really tell the difference...

CBD can have some low levels of THC.

So you could accumulate enough THC to fail a test, while only using CBD legal products.

[–] FlyingSquid 5 points 9 months ago

Thanks. I've always wondered that.

[+] jpreston2005 -12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

only ingestable CBD oils that aren't purified would have any trace THC. Using CBD isolate, or CBD products used externally (balms, lotions etc.) will never put THC in your system. Any legitimate CBD seller will have their endocannibinoid analysis up on their webpage for each batch produced.

[–] givesomefucks 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Nope, there's an allowable level of THC in CBD products

It doesn't have to be zero.

And if I take enough of legal CBD products, I could test above the limit for THC on a drug test. Because of how long THC is detectable, I could reach that level while legitimately not being even a little high during that period.

Does that make sense?

[–] Copernican 4 points 9 months ago

I don't believe it's the products, but the plants. CBD plants must contain less than a certain percent THC. But the finished consumer product derived from the plants can have more potent levels of THC creating a weird legal grey area as I understand it.

[–] EmpathicVagrant 2 points 9 months ago

Less than .3% is allowed

[–] jpreston2005 -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I worked in the CBD Industry since its inception. I ran my own CBD business. I know more about this than you do. While CBD regulations are incredibly lax, there are quality CBD products you can find, and it behooves the CBD consumer that doesn't want to test positive for THC to read the label and check out the company. Much like someone with a nut allergy, you're gonna have to read the package.

CBD is put into products predominantly in one of 3 forms. Crude oil (which will have some THC in it), Distillate (Trace amounts of THC), and Isolate (typically 97-99% pure). If you're ingesting the product like through an oil tincture, gummies, or other edible product, and it's CBD content it derived from the addition of crude oil or distillate, you're going to have trace THC. If it's from isolate, you won't.

However, that THC content is only a concern if you're ingesting the product. THC isn't water soluble, so it won't be absorbed by your skin, unlike CBD. Any topical CBD product will have no risk of THC exposure.

[–] givesomefucks 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Any topical CBD product will have no risk of THC exposure.

Topical CBD has no risk of any kind of exposure...

Because it doesn't do anything.

But yeah, you having a business selling snake oil explains it, have a good life as a nonmedical professional selling herbal cures you don't understand tho!

[–] jpreston2005 -1 points 9 months ago

Here's an NIH comprehensive review of studies showing the benefits of topical CBD usage.

I recommend you give at least some fucks about being accurate.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

CBD has almost zero regulation and oversight so its labeling is widely inaccurate. Granted, the products reviewed in this study tended to overlabel, so there is some variance. I get that you’re talking more specifically about an in-depth analysis posted per batch on a website. I just don’t see that being a reality with the status quo.

[–] jpreston2005 -2 points 9 months ago

Yeah, the industry is a mess because lawmakers don't understand it enough to regulate it. It's unfortunate, because my company devoted itself to only ever using CBD Isolate in our products, which eliminates the worry of testing positive for THC. But after a failed merger with a corrupt billionaire, we ended up folding. Capitalism tends to weed out those with good intentions, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Maybe read the article next time?

In early 2019, he ordered a vaporizer and CBD tinctures — which are taken orally — from an online retailer he considered reputable.

[...]

After a routine drug test came back positive for marijuana a few months later, he told supervisors that he had been using CBD and turned the products over to investigators. Lab tests showed that two contained less than 0.3 percent of THC, but one had a slightly elevated level: 0.35 percent, which was within the test’s 0.08 percent margin of error, according to Mr. Armour’s lawsuit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

You can test positive for THC even if using the not full-spectrum CBD. I was frustrated by this and just got a medical card because I was tripping at-home drug tests (the dollar tree THC kit is actually pretty reliable btw).

But now that I'm looking for a new job and will likely be tested frequently while working on my clinical mental health master's, I have to give up a significant quality of life in order to work in this industry at this time.

My rec/med state has no protection for "safety sensitive positions," which range from truck drivers to medical doctors. Until it's federally rescheduled, people like me have to choose career and suffering or quality of life.

I've had many providers offer me narcotics, but I have no interest in them. I've tried them and they feel too good.. I've seen them destroy the lives of functioning, healthy people, both professionally and in my personal life. Non-narcotics don't make any difference, and neither do NSAIDs.

The only effective and safe way I have found to manage my pain is with weed. I would never use it on the job, and while people in my industry joke about drinking nightly for self-care, I can get fucked for wanting to run my volcano. Total bullshit...