Technology

I think most internet users are straight up smooth brained, i have to pull my wife's hair to get her to not use my first name twice and the year we were married as a password and even then I only succeed 30% of the time, and she had the nerve to bitch and moan when her Walmart account got hacked, she's just lucky she didn't have the cc attached to it.

And she makes 3 times as much as I do, there is no helping people.

I agree, by all accounts 23andMe didn't do anything wrong, however could they have done more?

For example the 14,000 compromised accounts.

• Did they all login from the same location?
• Did they all login around the same time?
• Did they exhibit strange login behavior like always logged in from California, suddenly logged in from Europe?
• Did these accounts, after logging in, perform actions that seemed automated?
• Did these accounts access more data than the average user?

In hindsight some of these questions might be easier to answer. It's possible a company with even better security could have detected and shutdown these compromised accounts before they collected the data of millions of accounts. It's also possible they did everything right.

A full investigation makes sense.

1. IP based rate limiting
2. IP locked login tokens
3. Email 2FA on login with new IP

What should a website do when you present it with correct credentials?

Not then give you access to half their customers' personal info?

Credential stuffing 1 grandpa who doesn't understand data security shouldn't give me access to names and genetics of 500 other people.

That's a shocking lack of security for some of the most sensitive personal data that exists.

What should it do? It should ask you to confirm the login with a configured 2FA

So… we are ignoring the 6+ million users who had nothing to do with the 14 thousand users, because convenience?

Not to mention, the use of “brute force” there insinuates that the site should have had password requirements in place.

As if deleting your account deletes your data.

From these 14,000 initial victims, however, the hackers were able to then access the personal data of the other 6.9 million million victims because they had opted-in to 23andMe’s DNA Relatives feature.

How exactly are these 6.9M users at fault? They opted in to a feature of the platform that had nothing to do with their passwords.

On top of that, the company should have enforced strong passwords and forced 2FA for all accounts. What they're doing is victim blaming.

Are you telling me a password of 23AndMe! Is bad? It meets all the requirements.

It's at least 99.8% the company's fault.

Even if we blame those 14k password reusers, we're blaming 1 in every 500 victims. Being able to access genetic information and names of 6.9 million people - half your entire customers! - by hacking 0.02% of that is the fault of the company. They structured that access and failed to act on the obvious threat it represents.

But why blame password reusers? Not every grandparent interested in their family tree is capable of even understanding data security, let alone juggling multiple passwords or a PW manager.

Credential stuffing is an inevitable part of security landscape - especially for one time use accounts like genetics sites. A multimillion dollar IT department is just clearly responsible for preventing egregious data security failures.

That's not how this works. They are running internationally, and GDPR would hit them like a brick if they did that.

I would assume they had some deals with law enforcement to transmit data one narrow circumstances.

I'm honestly asking what the impact to the users is from this breach.

Well if you signed up there and did an ancestry inquiry, those hackers can now without a doubt link you to your ancestry. They might be able to doxx famous people and in the wrong hands this could lead to stalking, and even more dangerous situations. Basically everyone who is signed up there has lost their privacy and has their sensitive data at the mercy of a criminal.

This is different. This is a breach and if you have a company taking care of such sensitive data, it's your job to do the best you can to protect it. If they really do blame this on the users, they are in for a class action and hefty fine from the EU, especially now that they've established even more guidelines towards companies regarding the maintenance of sensitive data. This will hurt on some regard.

But hear me out, I have no control over my cousin or aunt or some random relative getting one of these tests and now this shitty company has a pretty good idea what a large chunk of my DNA looks like. If people from both sides of my family do it they have an even better idea what my genetic profile looks like. That's not my fault, I never consented to it, and it doesn't seem ok.

A successful breach of a family member's account due to their bad security shouldn't result in the breach of my account. That's the problem.

Edit: so people stop asking, here's their docs on DNA relatives: https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212170838

Showing your genetic ancestry results makes select information available to your matches in DNA Relatives

It clearly says select information, which one could reasonably assume is protecting of your privacy. All the reports seem to imply the hackers got access to much more than just the couple fun numbers the UI shows you.

At minimum I hold them responsible for not thinking this feature through enough that it could be used for racial profiling. That's the equivalent of being searchable on Facebook but they didn't think to not make your email, location and phone number available to everyone who searches for you. I want to be discoverable by my friends and family but I'm not intending to make more than my name and picture available.

Not your fault if you did have a strong password but your data was leaked through the sharing anyways…