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[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Here's how I interpret their reactions:

Conservatives tend to have much larger amygdalas, which makes sense, as their worldview is based around fear. The brain/ amygdala treats threats to personal identity with the same fear response as physical threats.

A 15-minute city means you don't need a car, and it's far less convenient to have one. But for a lot of people, especially the conservative folks, their car (or bro-dozer) is their identity, or at least a huge part of it. Their identity is fragile enough already, it can't withstand removing a big chunk of it. (How would a man know he's a man without a truck to perform masculinity in?)

Therefore, a walkable city is s threat to their vehicle, which is a threat to their identity, which is just as frightening as a physical threat, like being hunted for sport.

[–] littlebluespark 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

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[–] TheBat 10 points 10 months ago

- Dr. Hannibal Lecter

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I wish I could find it and share the actual quote, but someone on Twitter (iirc) posted something like, "the best way to approach urbanism and biking to conservatives is to say 'I'm for traditional neighborhoods that use independent transportation methods without government overreach' or 'I want fiscally responsible transportation methods'."

To no one's surprise, these refer to walkable cities, using walking or biking, and include buses with the second quote.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As always, the way to get to them is using buzzwords

[–] ook_the_librarian 6 points 10 months ago

At least the appropriated buzzwords are used correctly. We're not twisting words like hearing "affordable healthcare" and using an ingrained Rush Limbaugh decoder to hear "death panels". We're just preserving the poison that was already in their buzzwords.

Limbaugh's gone, but the playbook is the same.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

β€œthe best way to approach urbanism and biking to conservatives is to say β€˜I’m for traditional neighborhoods that use independent transportation methods without government overreach’ or β€˜I want fiscally responsible transportation methods’.”

I mean, sure. And that might stick for a conversation or a few days. But come back in a week, after their ears have been pumped with Agenda 21 China Takeover Shari Law Communist Prison State talk radio gibberish. You'll be right back to square one.

At some point, it isn't the quality of message but the quantity. If you want to trick your Evangelical Homophobic Constitution Party voting uncle into supporting 15 minute cities, you need to configure his AM radio to play Well There's Your Problem podcast episodes in place of whatever crap Clear Channel is transmitting.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well there's our problem. There's no way you'd get my Evangelical Homophobic Constitution Party voting uncle to even listen to There's Your Problem because within the first two minutes they'll say "So the problem is Capitalism," and he'd go back to Limbaugh reruns.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 5 points 10 months ago

The first two minutes of any WTYP episode is Rocz or Liam fighting with the recording interface, to comic effect.

And I think that's one of the selling points of a lot of these indie leftist shows. They're entertaining in a way the old grouchy wingers aren't. Admittedly, it's very Millennial/Zoomers humor. So maybe Alice joking about bombing the local golf course isn't going to be Uncle's speed.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

This but not sarcastically. I'm politically conservative, and for the same reasons that I'm an environmental conservationist. Framing things in a way that makes sense to the listener is just good messaging.

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[–] FireRetardant 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I recently moved to an apartment with decent walkability to basic neccesties and I feel far more free than a car has ever made me feel.

[–] toasteecup 34 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm helping! I'm helping! I'm helping you! God I loved sealab2021

[–] GraniteM 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

WELL HELLO CONSUMER, YES HELLO CONSUMER!

[–] toasteecup 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Daddy needs some of his pick me up juice

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My user name came from the bebop cola episode where Murphy is stuck under the vending machine.

[–] toasteecup 2 points 10 months ago

I love that episode so much. Just a ridiculous set up

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oddly enough, Ellis Hedican (the voice of Stormy) was a Fox News contributor and overall conservative back when the show first ran.

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well that sucks. I love Sealab.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think he has changed his views since then.

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

I hope so.

EDIT: Wikipedia says: "He is the co-author of the New York Times bestseller The Party's Over: How the Extreme Right Hijacked the GOP and I Became a Democrat." So basically an 'enlightened centrist.' Better than before, I guess.

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[–] Steveanonymous 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Stormy is like a little otter. A sexy little otter 🦦

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

"I'm regular Stormy!"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Got a glorious and rare SL2021 meme, I'll vote for whatever you hippies want. Where's the booth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I read this in Stormys voice. I really loved that show.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Remember that old saying "every accusation from a Conservative is a confession"?

Well, the next time you see someone respond to densification or 15 minute cities on this level, it's because they were already thinking of ways to exterminate folks on the left.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

We should do both.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001 12 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I only have one issue with these types of cities.

I don't want to be that close to other people.

[–] NewNewAccount 34 points 10 months ago

Many Americans are already dealing with the downsides of urban density but without the benefits of a walkable city.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

I think of it like getting better public transport. Even if you don't use it, other people will and that will give you more space

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 14 points 10 months ago

In Houston, during the 60s, you could drive out into the wilderness once you passed 610.

But with urban sprawl all the way out to Conroe, Katy, and Rosenberg, what used to be a 15 minute drive has turned into hours in the car to escape the edge of the city.

Every new subdivision pushed the rural neighborhoods farther and farther away.

[–] nifty 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I feel the same way, I don’t mind people but in small, small, smaaaaaall doses. But cities like that are great for others, I don’t have to live there.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Y'all might be imagining NYC levels of density and, while that's important, is definitely several steps further than what's needed to make America not terrible. Something like rowhouses or even 4-plexes would be an improvement, and that would, at max, only add 50-100 more people to the average city block.

If you already live in a neighborhood, you would really only be interacting with your neighbors as you do now. It's not as if your entire city is going to be in the same 15 minute stretch.

[–] nifty 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I’d like that for other people! I don’t think it’s bad if some land is less dense though? I can’t stand living in anything that has connecting walls with another house. People are loud, they don’t respect each others spaces or things, and they get super entitled to using common spaces and not sharing with others. People with children are especially bad at all this. But eh, maybe my experience has just been bad.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

I mean, the whole crux of the issue right now is that it's illegal to build "missing middle" multi-family homes due to zoning in most of the US–it's almost entirely either single family homes or apartment blocks, two extremes with nothing in between.

It's fine if some of the land is less dense, if you don't like dealing with other people fixing this issue would be a good thing for you too! Imagine if all the people who preferred the option of a house with 2-4 units and its own yard were afforded that option; 100-300% density increases would free up so much of the land that's mostly chemically treated lawns and unnecessarily wide roads, not to mention even more rural areas farther out. I think it would do a lot to help the housing cost crisis even if nothing else were accomplished alongside it legislatively.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

People are loud

This is a problem with soundproofing. I didn't know I had neighbors until I saw one guy leave his apartment

super entitled to using common spaces

Not sure what spaces you are talking about. The only common space I have is sauna, and that is optional

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

In a weird way the higher density is actually liberating because it gives you cover for just ignoring everyone. It's a cognitive trick which takes a bit of practice, but eventually there is a strange solace in urban life.

I lived in suburbs and a small town for about half my life and those places get smaller the longer you are there. You run into someone you know whenever you go out, and people are always waving or saying hi because they think that's just being friendly. In the city nobody is going to say hi or wave at 3000 people per day. And nobody get labeled rude or antisocial for it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Well, yes, but not because of the urban redesign.

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