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A conservative plan for Donald Trump’s potential transition into the presidency calls for dozens of prisoners to be executed, according to HuffPost. An 887-page plan by Project 2025, led by the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation, says that if elected, Trump should make a concerted effort to execute the remaining 40 prisoners on death row. The section’s author, attorney Gene Hamilton, advised that Trump “do everything possible to obtain finality” on the current list of people until Congress forces them to stop. Hamilton is the vice president of America Legal First, a group of former Trump lawyers bent on attacking “woke” companies, headed by Stephen Miller. Trump’s approach to the death penalty stands in stark contrast to that of President Joe Biden, who has openly opposed the death penalty, but done little to move forward legislation to reform or abolish the practice since entering office.

For those of you not in the know Project 2025 is Republicans plan to turn the USA into an authoritarian state.

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe 38 points 6 months ago (3 children)

When the nazis came to power, they forcibly took away the guns of their victims. They'd send a squad of SS to your house, surround it, and force you to give up the gun. If you didn't, they'd kill you, if you did, they still got you in the end.

Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didn't survive.

If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.

[–] General_Effort 18 points 6 months ago

The first thing the nazis did, was purge the bureaucracy. Taking away guns was no concern, at all.

Privately owned guns played no significant role in the nazis' rise to or hold on power. Anything else is simply marketing by american gun sellers.

Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didn’t survive.

About 10-15,000 jewish germans survived the holocaust by going underground in Germany. They were colloquially called U-Boote or Illegale. Of course, that has nothing to do with guns. Guns were, after all, handed out to any able-bodied male.

If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.

That is only partly true. Germans are only a small fraction of holocaust victims (<5%). The victims overwhelmingly came from eastern Europe, particularly Poland and the Soviet Union. The holocaust happened in the wake of the advancing Wehrmacht. A more far-sighted response to german war preparations would have made a difference. A lesson one must bear in mind in today's world.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's a fucking joke to assume that guns are a hedge against fascism. They'll take your guns or shoot you. Maybe there's some protection in being an organised group in the moment, but if they want to get you they'll get you.

[–] jaybone 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] antidote101 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Whilst members of the Weaver family were illegally killed by the government at Ruby Ridge, what's less known is that Randy Weaver was hanging out with people from the Aryan Nation movement, and a believer in the Posse Comitatus theory of law.

It was White Nationalists that later erased these facts to promote the Weaver's story as they (rightly) believed it would inspire others into their life style.

Timothy McVeigh cited the story as one of the reasons for his bombing of a federal government building and its daycare centre.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2022/05/13/randy-weaver-influential-figure-white-supremacist-militia-movements-has-died

[–] jaybone 3 points 6 months ago

Oh I certainly wasn’t defending him or the white supremacist community he was a part of.

I was also tempted to mention Wako and the Davidians.

My point was, no matter how many guns you have, the machine will always win in a gun fight.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Part of the reason the Nazis didnt face too much resistance is because a possible major for of resistance got purged before their rise. The Spartacists got purged pretty thoroughly by the Freikorps who also used it as an excuse to purge other similar groups.

Also guns would be one of many different tools in such a resistance scenario, alongside things like car bombs and just stabbing people. Its just convenient to have a long range weapon that requires little training, mind you stealing a gun or manufacturing one would also be viable i guess.