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France's defence minister received his German counterpart on Friday to ink a deal between the two countries to build a next-generation battle tank.

Defence ministers of France and Germany met in Paris this Friday to ratify an agreement on a new joint tank project called the Main Ground Combat System (MGCS).

This formal agreement kick-starts the development of the first phase of the armoured vehicle, dubbed the ‘tank of the future’ – a project worth billions of euros.

The new battle tank is set to replace Germany’s Leopard 2 tank and France’s Leclerc.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I would like to see a modern tank that is greener, and I don't mean that as a joke.

The amount of fuel consumed is insane. It creates logistics problems if nothing else.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Moving 60-70 tons requires a lot of power, regardless if they're electric or not. Next gen tanks are also likely to be hybrids, not for the environment's sake, but to be quieter when they have to or simply as a backup / redundancy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The m1 consumes about 6 gallons per mile.

In a large war that is a lot of fuel and supply lines.

I know of Iraq/Afghanistan. They were testing solar to power the bases because they required so much diesel, and those were the convoys being attacked.

I know people will call it woke but we need to green up the military to protect lives.

[–] ThePyroPython 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Well the military already considers climate change a threat to national security.

[–] gaael 11 points 8 months ago

I hope they start shooting billionaires private jets soon then.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would agree. As the climate changes, what is important will change.

I think the average person outside of America doesn't grasp the size of America. We have enough water, land, etc to feed our population if we plan correctly. Other countries don't have that luxury and wars can be caused over a shortage of water and food.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You are busy fucking that up though. Through fracking for example.

Also, plan correctly? When is the US going to try to start doing that?

[–] RubberElectrons 1 points 8 months ago

We are, collectively, working to change that.

Redwood materials is trying to close the loop on lithium recycling from ev purposes, we can expect us military-industrial companies to take advantage of the cost savings, if for no other reason than to say "here's a silent tank, we're pocketing 60% of the unit cost for.. Development.. Reasons"

From acorns grow tremendous trees, it's likely there will be a big change from an unexpected avenue.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago

I don’t frack. So I’m not sure you mean by you. Nor do I support fracking. Gas should be expensive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

The M1 generally has a higher fuel consumption due to its turbine engine. Instead of babbling nonsense for media attention, maybe suggest some solutions though. Because superchargers along the battlefield aren't one of them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Also to power energy weapons like anti-drone lasers and gauss/rail weapons.

[–] Agent641 1 points 8 months ago

Unshielded nuclear reactor it us, tgen!

Every tank kill will result in a 10-15 kiloton excursion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I doubt we'll see mobile railguns anytime soon. Lasers will likely be extra vehicles instead of being part of a MBT so that they can fill more batteries in the hull. But afaik MGCS is likely going to be a multi platform solution anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Thanks for the corrections. Wow, MGCS first production rolling off the line in 2035.

It's encouraging to see France and Germany working together on this, especially with such a long planning horizon.

Whether they're comfortable with the role or not, they're a critical part of the democratic vanguard in the world. People have started taking democracy as a given.... it's scary.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

The popularity of the new Fallout show tells me that it's definitely time to revive the Chrysler TV-8 concept

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Didn't the Abram X showcase an all electric drive mode that could run independent and silent for a bit?

[–] ours 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Or at least to run sensors and turret without a roaring turbine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

The Abrams has had an APU for a couple of revisions, doesn't need to run the main engine for that.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago

I have not heard that. That would be cool.

There has been talk of moving more electric but I haven’t seen much.

The problem is the haters. If done right it’ll make our military even more lethal.