I don't think that's a good solution. If I personally block an instance they can still see my comments and posts and have full conversations alongside them that everybody except me can read. I reserve blocking for genuine harrasment, not horrible ideas in general. I'd rather be part of the discussion and use that to build a case for defederation if it's really so bad I'd want to block them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Agreed, and I think defederation from Lemmy.ml is overdue.

They're a toxic mouthpiece for authoritarian governments pretending to be communists, especially the CCP but also the Kremlin. They're the reason I won't even admit to anyone that I use Lemmy.

I had an old account I abandoned because they followed me around and downvoted everything I posted. Most of it was funny memes I was posting to help Lemmy grow.

They're the same trashy people as Hexbear but with a nicer mask and surrounded by legitimate users who don't realize what's going on.

[–] hark 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's not enough that you ignore views you don't like, you must apparently stop everyone else on the same instance(s) as you from seeing these views. For our protection and safety, I assume?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I just don't have the time or energy to deal with the toxic behaviour of those people. I don't run an instance, the one I use doesn't block others, but I block some instances for my personal account. Nothing wrong with that.

[–] hark 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nothing wrong with blocking instances yourself. My issue is with people who take it upon themselves to mount a campaign to block instances for all other users on an instance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I have an issue with people who mount a campaign to stop defederation regardless of who it's targeting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

sigh

All together now:

"If users don't like that their instance has defederated then they can migrate their accounts."

I have yet to see a real answer to this from people who concern troll about defederation.

[–] hark 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Or, more simply, if you don't like the instance then you can block it yourself. That's what the feature is for. It's not concern trolling to point out that I don't want people like you choosing which instances I get to see from which instances I use.

It's much easier for you to use the block feature as intended instead of you screaming at instance maintainers to censor content for everyone on that instance you don't like and making people create accounts all over different instances just because you can't handle a different opinion. Why needlessly fracture the fediverse because of your personal preferences?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

sigh

"Blocking is a band-aid that doesn't remove the problem community from interacting with your community at large, which is how you limit the ability of that community to spread their harmful behaviour."

Also, I don't choose, the instance admins choose. Nothing I say will change that. If I successfully convince them, then they were convincable. If you don't like that... change instances.

[–] hark 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"Problem community", huh? Now that's concern trolling! You're just concerned about others being exposed to a nebulous "problem community"?

Why do you think you get to decide for others what a "problem community" is? I've seen people like you rally together to scream at instance maintainers to block other instances because you don't like their opinions. Stop being a fediverse karen and use the block function or, if you're such a control freak, maintain your own instance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, do you think the concept of a "problem community" is somehow not a concept that makes sense? What is your argument here exactly?

Are you trying to say that defederation should never be done? If not, then what are you saying?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Funny how ur comments were the ones upvoted up a few hrs ago and the other commenter downvoted.... hmmmmmmm......

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I just got this comment about how some of these folks were vote manipulating: https://lemmy.cafe/comment/5417577

I have no idea exactly what that means but I am fascinated to learn more. It makes the concern trolling even more of a troll in that case. Like I seriously wonder what's behind it if this is happening, because these "no defederate PLZZZZ!!1!" folks are so rabid and they keep recycling the same tired, vapid arguments that they don'teven bother to defend. Like are they just trying to sabotage the fediverse by spreading FUD about the main tool we have for preventing it from sliding into pure toxicity?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Fascinating, and u just got downvoted for this xD.

I left a more in depth reply there, but all these accounts only purpose is to spoil our election in the states so we install a dictator.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Paradox of tolerance, my good friend.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's fair. I'm a filthy casual and thus blocking instances works fine for me (3 so far). User comments from those instances are shown to me with a spoiler tag and when I click on them I can still see them and even comment on them. But I'm happy that posts from those instances don't show up in my feed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

User comments from those instances are shown to me with a spoiler tag and when I click on them I can still see them and even comment on them.

That's actually a pretty good solution, I didn't realise it worked like that.

Maybe instance blocking is a solution I can use in that case...