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Thanks, trumptards.
Biden got 100 secret arms shipments to israel done while ignoring Zelensky. Bypassed Congress for israel, not Ukraine.
Blaming Trump for Biden abandoning Ukraine to support israels Genocide is top tier mental gymnastics.
Coming to Trumps defense and bashing Biden. CLASSIC LINKERBAAN
Cognitive dissonance and a genocidal apologist liberal, name a more iconic duo.
Go tell your god emperor Genocide Joe to put in effort for Ukraine instead of whining about Trump.
Trump is not an elected official right now but Joe Biden abandoning Ukraine must be Trumps fault. Liberal gymnastics are truly something.
Average lemmy user when any one brings up valid criticism of Biden or the Democrats:
Valid criticism is appreciated and I've changed my mind on the genocide going on. That said, when one submits only posts or comments pushing a single narrative to the exclusion of criticizing any other politician, it's obvious they are a propagandist.
Look through this guy's post and comment history.
I wouldn't say average lemmy user, but I have noticed a huge influx of astroturfers looking to gentrify lemmy and make it into another reddit (see r/politics for a prime example of that crap). It started with the shrieking demands to defederate from "tankie" instances.
It’s Russian bots. It’s the disinformation campaign the OP story is referring to.
Arms shipments so secret that we are here talking about them?
Yep because they got leaked. Real sad that Biden is using the same dirty tactic Trump used to secretly sell weapons to Saudi. But of course Biden does it to support Genocide, not help Ukraine. And Biden recently passed the free israel money without Ukraine in the bill. Because Joe Biden does not seem to care about Ukraine at all aside from optics.
I think you may be under the impression that "secret" means something it does not.
Strange when Trump did this to secretly sell weapons to Saudi it was a massive scandal and we all really cared about it. But if Biden does it it's fine because only Trump would do violate his presidential powers this hard.
By the way do show me the receipts of these sales if they aren't secret.
You speak only for yourself, there is no we here lol.
I really would suggest at least checking what the word secret means.
You're desperately trying to argue semantics because you don't have any actual argument.
Do you think this self-portrait will magically win the argument for you?
Hmmm I wonder who is responsible for the aid money not going to Ukraine. Couldn't have been republicans refusing to vote for it. Nope... That can't be it
Oh look there's still someone left that believes in the fairy tale of voting and the President not being able to bypass congress after being directly demonstrated of the opposite.
Trump broke laws to do that and the only reason nothing happened is because the stolen SCOTUS seats gave him immunity
All I see is “Thanks, trumptards”. Perhaps he edited his post or something, but I don’t get the impression he’s the one doing mental gymnastics on this.
And how exactly is orange man related to Putin invading other countries?
Probably being an enabler?
Biden is the one that dropped Ukraine this time around. Why only blame Trump?
I would venture to guess it’s because this time around might not have existed in the first place if Trump didn’t invest so much of his presidential attention to stroking Putin’s ego and having secret meetings with him in Helsinki.
But what do I know? I just wanted to tell you that you were doing more mental gymnastics than the other guy.
Wouldn't have existed if Biden and the UK didn't tell Zelensky to abort peace negotiations in 2022 because "they got Ukraine's back" . Now we see they did not in fact "got Ukraine's back".
Biden is only on his knees for Netanyahu giving him as many Genocide bombs as possible.
You’re not wrong, but which came first, Biden & UK saying that stuff to Zelensky, or Trump getting cozy with Putin on Twitter, meeting with him privately in Helsinki, Russia’s election interference, and Trump’s insurrection attempt, and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine? Maybe I’m just not clear on the timeline. Would you mind putting those in chronological order for me?
Putin invaded Ukraine because NATO tried to invite Ukraine which went against the deal with Russia.
Blaming that on the orange man who just slushed some cash away to mar-a-lago is saying a lot about how much the average Biden voter understands about Geopolitics
Woah! NATO was invading Ukraine?? Are these the mental gymnastics I keep hearing about?
Reading is truly difficult
Ah my bad. It’s still early in my part of the world. So hadn’t Trump also been talking about NATO in a manner that kind of undermined its strength and encouraged an attack from Russia during his presidency as well?
NATO promised Ukraine not to expand eastward for a very long time and did so anyways. GDF has a good video on it
Putin offered a truce in 2022 for guarantees that Ukraine wouldn't join NATO.
I see. It was kind of Ukraine’s choice, but US and UK saying they’d have Ukraine’s back probably tipped the scales significantly. I understand why Putin wouldn’t want such a close neighbor being a NATO member, and preemptively laid claim to the territory and started a war that (surprise, surprise) US and UK don’t like financing. Still, I think Putin might not have been so bold if Trump wasn’t such a fanboy and there had been some actual repurcussions for Crimea under Obama.
Possibly but if Biden actually cared he could have sent them far more weapons by now. Instead Ukraine seems to be used to bleed Russia dry and when all the Ukrainians are dead cannon fodder America is just going to leave it.
Currently Biden is able to send weapons to Ukraine just like how he did for israel, yet Biden is not using those options.
You know there's completely different preexisting laws and contracts for the two and that he can't for precisely that reason. You're a liar
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You know that's a lie, and that makes you a propagandist supporting a genocidal dictator
No it's been openly said on the news and there were plenty of articles about it https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-unveils-security-guarantees-says-western-response-not-encouraging-2021-12-17/
Yes lies are often openly said in the news, that's the point of lies.
But you know that's not their actual reason.
No it's quite clear this is their actual reason. They offered a truce for it.
In any case since you're so smart go tell Biden to send weapons to Ukraine. Since Biden is so committed to infinite war at least give the Ukrainians something more than a few sticks to fight with.
They did not. They pretended to offer a truce.
Actually it's a reason they invented after the fact. The initial reason were supposed to be "Ukranian terror attacks in Russia" which were going to be false flags by Russia themselves, but UK and USA called them out on it in advance and then they invented different reasons. If they had a legitimate reason from the start it would have been the one they lead with when invading, and yet the did not.
They have lied and lied and lied, and additionally they have ALSO broken numerous ceasefires.
Putin personally want to restore old Russia, that's the only reason for the war. He's the one who can end it right away.
I'm not American, I don't have any influence over that.
Strange way to spell Republicans blocking votes
Removed, insulting other users in Russian is still insulting. Attacking the idea is fine, not the person.
Removed, insulting other users in Russian is still insulting. Attacking the idea is fine, not the person.
"Anyone pointing out inconvenient facts is a Russian plant" is a stupid argument to make. I do see all the mindless upvotes you're getting while seeing all the mindless downvotes others who are actually citing facts are getting and it makes me wonder if the regular astroturfers from reddit have added lemmy to their list of sites.
You're saying this while knowing Trump withheld aid to Ukraine on the condition of helping him manufacture dirt in Biden?