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[–] [email protected] 117 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

One of the most ridiculous false pretenses Trump tries to maintain is that he can only pay with a single, $454M bond, and since he can’t get one that large, he should, obviously, just be forgiven the amount entirely and let off the hook.

What he doesn’t want anyone to know is that, obviously, he could just get several smaller bonds for, say, $50M or $75M or $100M until it added up to the $454M or however much he needs to post for the appeal. In fact, he even tried to offer a $100 bond before, but used it instead in the E Jean Carrol appeal.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Possibly he knows that, and is just trying to bleed his supporters for donations until the last moment.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

He definitely knows that

[–] baldingpudenda 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

We gotta teach the trump's how to count? No wonder they committed extensive fraud for decades.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

He knows how to count up to 11,780

[–] No_Ones_Slick_Like_Gaston 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Like literally chubb dogded a bullet lending this money earlier rather than having to be available for the next big payout. If you ask me is a small price to pay for salvation

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

They still loaned him a fuck ton of money that they sure won’t ever see again. So I don’t know how they dodged a bullet.

[–] partial_accumen 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Chubb did a fully collateralized bond. Meaning they got something of actual value, not just trump's word. In this case a Schawb brokerage account full of stocks and bonds for (I believe) more than the value of the bond. Plus Chubb probably added a fee on top of the value of the bond to service the transaction. When trump loses the E Jean Carroll appeal, Chubb will hand over cash and sell off the assets in the Schawb account and pocket their service fee.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why would they do it this way instead of just directly selling what's in the account? I get that it takes time to unwind stuff like that, but surely it can be done in the time the judge gave?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Taxes. If by some stroke of miracle he wins the appeal, he won't have to pay capital gains taxes that he otherwise would have had to pay if the portfolio was liquidated.

[–] partial_accumen 3 points 8 months ago

This. And to put numbers on it, long term cap gains taxes (for things in the account held for 2 years or more) is 20%. For short term (things in the account owned for less that 2 years) it can be as 37%. So if the account is just used as collateral, and Chubb charged a fee of less than 20% then the bond is a cheaper way to get the money for the appeal.