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[–] ClopClopMcFuckwad 161 points 8 months ago (11 children)

I'm seriously thinking of trying Linux when Windows 11 is forced. My computer has the specs to run it, but I'm just tired of Windows and Microsoft.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (13 children)

Unless you run some really niche software or are a heavy gamer, you'll likely have no problems and enjoy it. Most software that you need for daily use has a FOSS equivalent that's equal or better. Usually those are also available straight from the package manager (if not there, then most likely Flatpak).

Just stick with a well supported distro like Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, or PopOS, and it'll be super easy.

I'm actually looking forward to the perfectly good Linux boxes that are bound to be popping up at yard sales or on ebay once that happens.

[–] EdibleFriend 51 points 8 months ago (22 children)

a heavy gamer

Why I am still hesitant to make the leap. Not just do I mostly use my PC for gaming but I have a tendency to jump into a new game for like 3 weeks and then off to the next like the horrid ADHD having fuck that I am. I don't want to possibly have to work to make a game work each and every time. I know its gotten a lot better about that but still. Convivence has me trapped yo.

[–] nul9o9 55 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I was in the same boat. But Valve seriously made it easy to install and play games on Steam. If you have a spare drive, give it a shot.

Things I had to do were to turn on proton in the steam settings and installing vulkan drivers for my AMD card.

[–] EdibleFriend 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I honestly might with my next build this summer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In a desktop (which is what you want for gaming anyways) why not? Easy enough to slot in a new drive and dual boot from there, no need to muck about with partitions like with a single-drive laptop.

If it doesn't work out, oh well, go back to Windows. But maybe Linux is finally there, and you'll find you don't need to go back

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[–] capital 7 points 8 months ago

I was surprised by this.

Admittedly, I haven't played many video games in the past few years but I was a little disappointed when the list of Steam games for Linux was quite short.

Then I read about Proton. The first Windows-only game I tried worked great so I'm happy.

I play older games on a 1060 so I don't have a good sense of what the performance is compared to playing directly on Windows though.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago

I don’t want to possibly have to work to make a game work each and every time.

as long as it's not a competitive multiplayer, it's more likely than not that it'll work out of the box.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Check ProtonDB. The overwhelming majority of games work just fine on Linux with Steam's Proton. I encounter a game that genuinely will not work on Linux only like once or twice a year.

[–] ABCDE 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

How is graphics card stuff with them, all okay in terms of drivers? I assume VR might be an issue?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're attacking this from the wrong angle. Tinkering every few weeks with something new on linux can keep your ADHD occupied ;-)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

As someone with ADHD this is exactly what happened to me when I switched to Linux. Continues to keep me occupied 3 months later

[–] bitwaba 8 points 8 months ago

As an intermedia Linux user prior to making the jump 2 years ago, if you mainly game on Steam you're fine. Wine and Proton are mature developed now that most games 'just work'. Almost all the problems I've run into for gaming on Linux have come from trying to do something outside steam (although Blizzard and Activision games seem to be pretty low effort).

Once you get outside that, it's hit or miss (sometimes good hits. Sometimes bad misses).

What you'll have to say goodbye to is alphas, betas, and release weekends. They CAN function (I did all 3 Diablo 4 beta weekends last year with no issues at all), and there's plenty of early access stuff on steam that works fine even though the developers didn't care about Linux one bit. But usually if you're reporting issues on opening weekend for a new game, they're more concerned with making their game launch work for the 95%+ of users instead of the 5%. If you want stuff to 'just work' and don't want to spend your weekend tinkering with waiting for hot fixes or patches, you'll probably not want to make the switch. Or will want to change your mentality about which games you play and when.

That being said, the experience is constantly getting better. So in a year or two it may be a different story.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

I run Pop!_Os. Steam with Proton is a gamechanger. Yet to find a game that doesn't just work with zero configuration.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Try dual booting so you can test if it just works or if the friction involved is acceptable.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 5 points 8 months ago

There has been a LOT of progress since the SteamDeck launched. The only real barrier now is multiplayer games that run anticheat. And even some of those have been figured out.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Only thing I've found to really not work is head tracking. That's pretty niche though and I'm expecting someone to figure that out eventually. Almost every game ran no problem.

[–] EdibleFriend 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Like VR you mean? lol my next build is when I want to finally get into VR and try all the games I haven't been able to play yet :(

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

No, not VR. Headtracking. The head is tracked with something like a webcam to move the camera.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Actually with ADHD it's nice. Making something work under Wine (following the instructions from winehq.org) is a bit similar to a game itself

EDIT: Oh, there's another such comment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

If you have a spare drive, install Pop_OS! on it. Don't let people let you think that everything is a piece of cake. It can be a little frustrating. A lot of guides jump to "the rest of the fucking owl" or are made on older versions of software. Steam does make it easy but most games are not a matter of simply hitting install because they do not have a native Linux version. You have to right-click on the game, go to Manage, and then set compatibility to Proton (generally although some games need other settings added which you can often find in protondb.com). Is it worth? I like it. There are some basic things that can be annoying like my fingerprint reader not working even though fprintd supports it but I'm too lazy to make a bug report.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I suggest Mint for new users (and lazy old users like me). All of the simplicity of Ubuntu, without Canonical's shit

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I almost went back to Mint on my last rebuild, but ended up going with Debian + Cinnamon. So far so good.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Not a good choice for people who want to play games. Debian focuses on stability so their packages are typically outdated.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Ubuntu without snaps or nagging about Ubuntu Pro. I was annoyed with both so I switched over from Ubuntu Mate to Linux Mate and have been enjoying it.

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[–] TunaLobster 20 points 8 months ago

Even heavy gamers are getting a much better experience on Linux these days (yay Proton!). There are a couple of anti-cheat systems that are still trouble some, but honestly if the developers don't want to to put in the much smaller amount of effort to make it work on Linux, I don't want to give them my money.

[–] RedditWanderer 9 points 8 months ago

Sadly I have niche software and I'm a heavy gamer. But now it's becoming as much of a headache to deal with Windows threatening dumb upgrades that I might as well switch and fight with compatibility.

The more we do it, the more companies will be incentivised to make Linux work.

[–] foggy 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I'm kind of a power user.

Gaming. Multimedia (Video, Image, Audio). Application development. Web development. Getting into cybersecurity, so using a lot of VMs. Watching videos.

I've been making a Linux transition. So far, the stuff I still need to iron out:

-Adobe. Make it work somehow or replace. Can use it on a windows VM 🤷‍♂️. Happy to replace because fuck em. Working through options.

-VST managers for digital audio workstation. Most aren't on Linux (spitfire audio, iZotope, IK multimedia, iLok). Haven't begun trying to make them work. I e heard most can be configured in WINE.

-old MIDI program not working. No audio for MIDI. One program works, another doesn't 🤔

That's it. Everything else is working. Big challenges Ive had:

-bluetooth gaming controller took a lot of effort. Works great now.

-Epic games through heroic... Through steam on Linux... Through remote play on my phone... That was difficult. But it works!!

-remote desktop troubleshooting. Works fine now.

Oh and I can't get windows subsystem for Linux to work in my windows VM on my Linux machine. 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

windows subsystem for Linux to work in my windows VM on my Linux machine.

Ignoring the blasphemy of that, the fact it doesn't work may prove that we are, indeed, living in a simulated universe. lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] assembly 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

My Win10 machine is an audio workstation (DAW) so I am curious how the migration to Linux will work out. Reaper has a Linux port so that should be OK. Hopefully all the VSTs will still work and I’ll have to check on my Focusrite Scarlett. I am not buying a new machine just to run this stuff as it’s just a hobby.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I haven't powered it up in several years, but I keep an old Windows XP machine with my DAW software on it. I just always ran it offline and moved files with a thumb drive. That said, I never did try a native Linux solution.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’m seriously thinking of trying Linux when Windows 11 is forced.

Sorry for the uncalled advice, but if you're considering it, you might as well try it now. Specially in ways that don't limit your access to Windows, such as live USB and dual boot (Windows and Linux in the same machine, at the same time). So if you do decide "I'm ditching Windows", in the future, you'll have an easier time doing so.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yup. Don’t wait until the W11 upgrade is imminent. Start it now, so you have a year of experience under your belt and can help your friends switch too when they’re forced to upgrade.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 8 points 8 months ago

Pretty much all computers have the specs to run linux. Of some flavor.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The only thing stopping me from switching over to Mint is procrastination.

[–] CosmicTurtle 4 points 8 months ago

The hardest thing about Linux Mint is installing all of your software. It's daunting even for very established users.

I moved from Ubuntu to LM a few months ago and I've enjoyed it.

[–] mypasswordis1234 6 points 8 months ago

Do yourself a favor and do it now. Maybe then you'll be able to help others move to Linux who haven't done so before.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Then don't hesitate! You could easily install both side by side, in case you need some Windows exclusive software.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I have switched a dell laptop that windows 10 didn't support to pop os. (It was 7 years old) My whole family has used it for a few years to do everything without any issues. Ironically I have had problems with the Pop OS install on my newer more powerful machine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Yeah I'm not as much of a fan of PopOS as I thought I'd be. I have it on my daily driver laptop, and every system update seems to introduce some wacky bug/glitch or another. Nothing major, just random small annoyances that usually get fixed in the next update.

It dual boots Pop and Debian, and Debian performs flawlessly. It's a Thinkpad, so Linux support has always been fantastic. I'm thinking of just dropping the PopOS partition and going back to my original love, Debian.

[–] ovalofsand 3 points 8 months ago

... Linux can run on a potato.

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