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[-] SuckMyWang 16 points 2 months ago

Centuries of violence? Try prehistory. Humans have always used violence if someone takes more than they contribute.

[-] grue 57 points 2 months ago

Humans have always used violence if someone takes more than they contribute.

In the grand scheme of things, using violence against those who take more than they contribute (i.e., the upper class) is one of the things we do least often.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

And yet give two kids a cookie and a knife and watch how carefully they divide that cookie. Fairness is a very old instinct.

[-] mods_are_assholes 14 points 2 months ago

Humans are for the most part inherently fair and cooperative.

But sociopaths aren't, so they think no one else will do anything without the threat of starving to death.

And the sociopaths have been making the rules since the mid 80s.

Untold damage done to humanity and civilization just so a handful of old white men can be ridiculously, unspendably rich.

And we are taught to idealize them.

[-] Doof 3 points 2 months ago

Calling anyone who does this stuff a sociopath is such a simplistic way to view things. You know beside the fact a sociopath isn’t an official diagnosis. It’s a fallacy to call everyone of these people mentally ill, sure it’s easier to otherize people rather than accepting some of these pieces of shit of sound mind. It’s hard to believe people can be capable of these things without something mentally wrong with them.

[-] mods_are_assholes 1 points 2 months ago

Not really, and it used to be a diagnosis. This is not a formal academic setting and I am not talking exclusively to mental health professionals.

There is study after study showing that people who rate high on the Hare scale, who the layman would call sociopath/psychopath are SIGNIFICANTLY overrepresented per-capita in positions of highest power such as politician, or some flavor of executive officer.


Other studies have shown that sociopaths are very effective at acquiring power, but are TERRIBLE at using that power to forward the company's goals, because they are raging narcissists.


I'm not exactly sure why you are defending the mentally ill power brokers that are turning our world to shit, you may want to re-examine your values.

But you probably won't.

[-] Doof 0 points 2 months ago

There isn’t study after study saying that, hell the one study that people point to have been pulled apart. I don’t like calling every asshole a mentally ill person, it has nothing to do with defending pieces of shit CEOs. Spreading bad research is also a problem. This idea of speaking up when people throw around terms Willy nilly is me defending the behaviour or the people is ridiculous. This little gotcha at the end is also pathetic. “Reexamine” my ass.

[-] NocturnalMorning 3 points 2 months ago

This has been going for centuries...

[-] mods_are_assholes 2 points 2 months ago

We had a brief progressive period where citizens were protected and supported, I was referring specifically to the reagan-thatcher era.

Honestly the entire world was going much more progressive then, even the middle east.

Neoliberalism and oil greed started the current fire we are roasting in. And it started with reagan

[-] Zehzin 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm not giving knives to children, not after last time. Nice try Child Protective Services.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

You look away for TWO seconds and they're already mid-goat-sacrifice.

And somehow it's YOUR fault...

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Very vaguely related, I had a somewhat-friend in college who told me about her, her twin, and her year younger sister would fight constantly all the time. Imagine 3 close aged kindergardeners just constantly at each other's throats when you were really not ready. They were so fed up that they went into the kitchen placed the three of them in equal distances away from the center, and then gave them each a knife and said "Go! If you hate each other so much, kill each other!"

The all started sobbing and hugged each other, and got along a lot better after that.

That's...def trauma territory, but, it's an example that human instinct to divided resources (emotional attention from a parent is REQUIRED for children's psyche) isn't darwinian. America specifically touts Survival of The Fittest as THE default human psyche and I find that it's just not true.

[-] tburkhol 7 points 2 months ago

I'd say violence is much more often used by people to take more than they contribute than the converse. Violence against the takers is so rare they write about it in history books.

[-] SuckMyWang 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I should have said more than they need. Humans will look after people who can’t look after themselves.

Which does make you think. For example if one person who has the knowledge is trying to build a bridge and they need a lot of resources to build it and someone else keeps coming along and taking some of that large pile because they think the person has too many resources, then that person can’t complete the bridge and noone gets the benefit from the bridge.

[-] agent_flounder 6 points 2 months ago

Humans have used violence for lots of stuff including taking or taking from takers or because the other tribe looked at em funny or whatever else. I wished we could be free of our worst instincts.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Humans naturally practice mutual aid and are good to each other. It is hierarchical systems that make them fight for power. Humans used to collectively fight everyone who got too greedy and powerful. It is only relatively recent development of agriculture that made it possible for violent people to grow huge armies and take over less connected tribes. Hopefully Internet can make as unite together on a global scale against the powerful, instead of fighting each other based on regions we live in.

[-] Mango 1 points 2 months ago

K so that'd be the billionaires.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Humans used to give to those who needed, regardless of how much they contribute. That is the whole point of tribes and why we are social animals. We help each other. They did however take from those that have significantly more then others.

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