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Was the woman with a rifle they shot at, subsequently hitting her son, also an off-duty cop? Maybe she was a relevant gun owner.
You're talking about the woman wearing a trench coat who entered the church and started shooting, right? In this case she's a criminal, not the "good guy with a gun".
You're still blaming the general population of gun owners for something the police did, lmao.
EDIT: My point is, the parent-commenter is calling the off-duty cops the "good guys with guns", but they're not because they're police officers (and let's be real, even if there was no 2nd amendment, cops would still be able to carry while off-duty).
You could argue that the woman who did the shooting was a "good guy with a gun" before the incident, but that's irrelevant to what I'm saying because I'm responding to the person calling the off-duty cops the "good guys with guns".
Am I saying anything about the general population's right to own a gun? Am I even implying anything about it? No. Nor am I equating the shooter to the "good guy with a gun", or saying that anybody other than the cops directly had anything to do with the child being shot.
What I am pointing out though is that either this woman came into legal and rightful possession of a gun, or otherwise obtained it illegally, both of which are relevant to a conversation on gun control.
No, but the user I first replied to is by saying that "off-duty cops" are "good guys with guns"- they're not the same. Your response was seemingly backing up the parent-commenters comment, making me think that you were agreeing with them.
Agreed 100%, but again the parent commenter didn't mention anything about the woman, they mentioned the off-duty cops that they called "good guys with guns" that shot the 7-year old.
So yes, I will agree that the woman had legal possession of a gun and committed a crime with it, that IS relevant to a conversation on gun control.
However, the off-duty cops shooting the 7-year old is NOT relevant to a conversation on gun control because they are cops.
Right. Because they didn't have guns and weren't shooting? Because then the victims don't exist? Because they had more Range time? Because they were trained in high-stress situations and extremely familiar with their weapons?
This all sounds like me challenging Tony Hawke to a freestyle competition.
Because they are cops, not civilian gun owners. Again, even if there was no second amendment, I guarantee cops would still be able to carry while off-duty. I'm saying the cops who shot the kid shouldn't be wrapped with civilian gun owners because they aren't civilian gun owners.
If the cops directly shot the child without there being the presence of a firearm near the child, then that would be a fairly different conversation. And yeah, the parent comment may have assumed the "good guy with the gun" was not a cop, but instead a citizen. However, with these being cops, and their decision to shoot spawning from a citizen with a firearm who had intent to use that firearm to harm innocent people, it is still valid for there to be a gun control debate, because if you take her gun out of the equation, there likely was not going to be a police initiated shooting in this situation.
I find it hard to come up with a simpler description of a cop.
I wouldn't say cops are good guys.
If you're being sarcastic like that...