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  • Oil and gas facilities in Russia have caught fire in recent weeks following suspected drone attacks.
  • In the latest attack, an oil refinery in the southwestern Volgograd region was ablaze on Saturday.
  • Russia's air-defense systems have proven to be less effective against small drones.
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[–] Skyrmir 78 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's about time someone did. War is just violent economics. Taking away Putin's income will cost him the war faster than killing Russians.

[–] Viking_Hippie 57 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And much more humanely. Plus every destroyed oil refinery in the world is a boon to humanity and probably a couple months longer survival as a species.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Generally agree, but damaging gas facilities can have undesirable consequences. An extreme methane leak is worse than combusting that gas

[–] Viking_Hippie 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In the short run, yes, but not in the long run.

The gas contained in the facility at any one time is nothing compared to the total output had it continued to operate for however many years it would otherwise be functioning.

[–] cynar 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Only so long as it's not rebuilt or replaced (e.g. in India to cope with reduced oil from Russia).

Environmentally, this isn't good. As a state at war, they are an excellent target to up the pressure.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

War in general is horrible for the environment, but if a few burning refineries over a short period of time can stop a war, then it may be a net benefit.

[–] Viking_Hippie -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They could just as easily build one in India without this one being destroyed and either way, replacing it costs money. You're talking absolute nonsense.

[–] cynar 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Supply and demand applies. In the short term, oil usage is fairly inelastic. If supply is squeezed, by Russia not being able to produce, then prices climb. This encourages the building of new plants, or the expansion of old ones due to rising profits. It also encourages affected nations to build plants, to secure their own national requirements.

To fix things, you need to attack both supply and demand. Demand is helped by reduce the friction with moving away from oil, as well as providing cost competitive alternatives. Supply is helped by forcing the externalised costs back into its pricing. This reduces profitability, and increases the pressure to change away from oil.

[–] Viking_Hippie 1 points 10 months ago

Supply and demand applies.

Not on the local level with a global commodity like oil.

If supply is squeezed, by Russia not being able to produce, then prices climb

Not necessarily, no. Other oil producing countries might elect to release some of their reserves or increase production to keep prizes down. As I said, global commodity.

Aaaand the rest just keeps on in the same way of assuming that local supply has vital effects on the price of a global commodity, so I'm just gonna stop repeating the point you keep missing in your zeal to make one less oil refinery in the world a bad thing 🤦

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Viking_Hippie -1 points 10 months ago

Ok.. I DEMAND that he stops talking nonsense!

That better? 😛

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

True.... but also there are safety mechanisms that shut off the flow of methane in events such as this. As the last thing you will want is combustible methane on your facility fire that was just bombed.