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[–] negativeyoda 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing will come of it.

Saved you another click

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Nothing except 90+ felony indictments? This dude was never charged with a crime before and this year he got hit with a ton of bricks. People like you would be watching the Nixon resignation saying "he got away with everything".

Do you not understand the gravity of these charges? He's almost guaranteed to be guilty of something, there's so many options. Once he loses the election he'll probably plead to whatever just to get house arrest and end the trials.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

People like you would be watching the Nixon resignation saying “he got away with everything”.

I mean... yeah? You think his resignation and pardon WASN'T him getting away with everything?

I'm as hopeful as the next guy that the supreme court won't just rule that nothing bad happened on Jan 6th and that Trump is allowed to be prosecuted, but 3 years on, it seems pretty reasonable to doubt it until it's done.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Another thing you haven't mentioned is that Nixon had destroyed McGovern in the 72 election. He won every state but MA!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_United_States_presidential_election

It was insane how far he fell. Watergate proved all his opponents right. And yes, his party turned on him. Half of Republican voters still liked him after his resignation but he literally couldn't get another job anywhere.

I recommend going to the Nixon presidential library. They really try to whitewash the events but it literally stops listing things he did after Watergate. Other presidents didn't even hang out with him.

[–] gAlienLifeform 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, boo hoo, he didn't have any friends and had to be well fed and lonesome in a mansion

He should have fucking hung, for prolonging the Vietnam war by five years and hundreds of thousands of bodies if for nothing else

[–] SuckMyWang 3 points 1 year ago

Lol. Hanging people is for us regular folks, not people responsible for the death and suffering of millions.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I can't possibly disagree more. I don't think you understand how restrictive an actual prison is. The man got to live out his days eating good food, going where he wanted, and doing what he wanted. We should all be so lucky to be able to do that at the cost of merely getting some dirty looks here and there.

Given the war and the oil embargo and everything else that was going on at the time

I don't see how pardoning Nixon helped solve any of that or how they make the pardon any less of a travesty.

Ford gained nothing by the pardon

You know, other than the part where he only got to be president in the first place by making an agreement with Nixon that if he resigned, he'd get a pardon. He got to bail out his buddy and set an example for the rest of his Republican pals that breaking the law is fine, we'll cover for you from the very top levels of government! No matter what the general public might have thought of it, the people within the party saw it as a huge service to their political machine.

Nixon got to live out his days comfortable, happy, and carefree. "He did not even have a state funeral." Give me a break. By this logic, Trump doesn't really need to be prosecuted! He already lost one election, and if he loses the next, he won't have what's REALLY important to him, and isn't that punishment enough?

Of course not. Heinous crimes were committed against the integrity of our country's ability to have democratic elections, and actual, real, legal conquences MUST follow, or the next asshole will comfortably push things even harder. It's thanks in part to Nixon's pardon that the rest of the republicans today are so happy to join hands around their lies about the election being stolen and the Jan 6 rioters being on a tour. They'd never have gotten here so easily without the precedent they have of covering for each other no matter what, no matter how serious, and no matter how high the office.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And Nixon getting away with everything, is also why we are where we are now too.

If the judges don’t fuck up the timeline and he loses, we’re probably ok for 4 more years (maybe longer if the trials scare off future fascist wannabes), but we need better voting rights, Supreme Court oversight and smarter voters before we can relax and not worry as much.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Nixon's pardon was bullshit, but being forced to resign the presidency is not nothing either in the sense that he certainly did face real consequences. I'm with you that he should have faced greater consequences, but it's simply not the case that he got away with it either. Getting away with everything would mean that he got to finish his term and retire as a respected former president. He didn't.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Lol Nixon did get away with everything though? And the precedent is what has allowed Trump to trample on our laws.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Our laws for the highest offices are strongly worded recommendations, not absolutes. They're going after trump's businesses (which he's lost) and him raping people (which he also lost). It doesn't help that the r's are backing him as much as they can.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No he didn't. Getting away with everything would have meant finishing his second term and retiring as a respected former president. That didn't happen. You can't say that he didn't face consequences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

"Consequences"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His followers don't care. The people that would vote for him don't care

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And your point is? That doesn't change the fact that there will still be consequences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Only if he doesn't win

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're assuming both that he doesn't win, and given the stakes involved, we can assume unheard of levels of cheating, corruption, and voting fraud, and you're assuming that scotus doesn't drag this out beyond the election.

If he wins and he hasn't been found guilty at that point, then every investigation will be killed on day 1