543
this post was submitted on 09 Dec 2023
543 points (98.9% liked)
News
23652 readers
2663 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Democrats had fifty freaking years to get something on the books and they did nothing. Shove it into a must pass bill. Fifty years of "it's decided by the courts, no reason to go further" attitude.
Republicans will literally legalize hunting gay people for sport and the white left is still gonna find a way to make it the Dems' fault
I mean, being the lesser-evil doesn't make you good or free from criticism. Lol.
Maybe dems should elect better reps! Then we wouldn't be in this situation.
That still won't matter as long as conservatives constantly have a majority in congress
Perhaps democrats should start running better candidates?
Perhaps all the appallingly egregious gerrymandering that ensures democrats can’t win in many areas should be addressed?
Democrats could run Jesus himself and lose in many places.
Democrats could run Jesus in Texas and he'd be lynched.
Absolutely, but gerrymandering isn't the only issue.
Definitely not. But we have to recognise which issues supersede others, and which must be fixed before it’s even physically possible to address the other things.
It’s like fretting over the train being on schedule before the tracks have been laid. Yes, many things need fixing and several are dire, but without the tracks, shouting at the conductor to make the train go faster is futile.
There's two conflicting viewpoints here. You need as many pro choice Democrats elected as possible to codify abortion rights.
But that doesn't happen in just one election cycle. If you punish Democrats for not fixing it immediately, you'll never build up the necessary numbers. And that's exactly what happened. Democrats got a huge boost in 2008 that was enough to advance things somewhat. Voters stayed home in 2010 because they didn't like the limited improvements, and in doing so, handed Republicans the majority and prevented anything more than the limited improvements.
Even Roe wasn't repealed overnight. It was a multi decade campaign. The left needs to play just as much of a long game to get what we want. There'll be absolutely no progress if we keep getting to get one large push to the left in 2 years, versus several smaller pushes to the left over 10 years to get to the same point.
You must ask yourself how the Republicans are able to pass such legislation while the Dems can't ever seem to get anything done "because the Republicans interfere with it", even with a Democratic super majority.
Doesn't make much sense.
No, its on the republicans for making it legal to hunt gay people for sport.
Literally nobody but white leftists thinks like this, and I'm 99% sure even the white leftists don't actually think like this, they just don't want to have to stop their cosplay as allies because everyone else sees their priv butts using this kind of thinking as an excuse to let Republicans win elections.
All this energy spent on why you shouldn't be judged for being the white leftist who will find any way possible to blame the dems for Republicans hunting gay people for sport.
It's ok, you can just tell us you care more about feeling vindicated about student loans and some nebulous dream of M4A than us getting to live, we aren't gonna let you march alongside us anymore but you clearly wanna just say it, so go ahead, say it priv.
I want to hear which several years you believe the Democrats could have done anything totally unobstructed and with zero resistance. From when to when?
I figured you were going to say 2009-2011, guessing that you were too young to be aware of what actually went on back then, where they only had a supermajority for about 2 months which they used to pass the ACA, but I’m really surprised you even included 2021-2023 — You saw that with your own eyes! Were you paying any attention?
You are a clown.
Lemme put it this way. If Democrats choose to let Republicans hunt gay people for sport, after they've had decades to type some words on a piece of paper that would prevent it, the Democrats are partially to blame when they do.
Why would you defend people who've not only not done shit to defend you, but have actively made it easier for you to be in danger?
Please, enlighten me if I'm wrong. Don't just downvote and insult me. Is there a good reason why Roe V Wade wasn't codified? Are y'all just upset to see reminders that the Democratic party isn't flawless?
Priv the only one making it easier for me to be in danger is you and your ilk letting the Republicans back into power so damn often because "i WaNt To VoTe FoR sOmEoNe!"
Bush won because y'all flocked to nader, and then Trump won because y'all did it again with Stein.
All this accusation of doing nothing and being an active hindrance rings pretty fucking hollow when people like you have to be dragged kicking screaming ans fighting the whole way just to vote for our safety.
Y'all want the aesthetic of guillotines and pride marches with none of the work of being at the polls and being on your representatives.
How am I letting republicans back into power by voting blue all the way down the ballot every fucking year
I'm not reading the rest of your reply until you answer that
How is it a bad thing to be upset that Democrats aren't doing what I voted for them to do?
It was on the books! It was already decided at the Scotus level.
Stare decisis should have applied and Scotus shouldn't have even heard the case under precedent.
The idea that a constitutional amendment needs to be made for something to be "on the books" is absurd.
What happened here is Scotus broke their own rules. They ignored the 9th and the 14th and violated their own principles.
This court is corrupt. Several justices should be impeached and removed.
Roe was settled case law. Pretending it wasn't is a joke.
I wish it was far more common knowledge that SCOTUS doesn't just ignore the 9th amendment, they flagrantly violate it. The amendment says they a right does not need to be explicitly mentioned to be protected -- which makes a lot of sense when you think back on American history, because opponents of the Constitution felt that only our enumerated rights were protected and no other freedoms. Hence, why the 9th was made.
The actual text goes further and says that the explicit enumeration of rights in the Constitution should not be used to disparage or forbid our other rights. This is exactly what SCOTUS disobeys, because the "a right must be guaranteed by an amendment" philosophy they've adopted for abortion flies in the face of that.
Roe was "something on the books", sunshine. Until Trump stacked the Supreme Court there wasn't a need to put anything into law.
And democrats were warned time and time again to codify it into law and not just leave it as a court case.
Really? When? I'd love to see a source for your comment along with the majority Senate, house, and president of all Democrats who all agreed for a long enough period to actually get it passed. Please, inform me of this mass of Democrats who all believed the same thing.
At what point in the last 50 years did Democrats have a majority of pro-choice congresspeople with a president who wouldn't veto such a bill? Because I'm close to 50 and I don't remember when that was.
Remember when Obama care got passed? I think we had the votes at that time
We did? Because that was passed with the help of Joe Donnelly, who was anti-abortion. And with some Republicans, who were also anti-abortion. And it only passed without the public option.
I don't know that it's the best example.
Nope. We had exactly 60 votes, and that included moderates who shot down further left provisions of Obamacare like single payer. If not for them, we'd have gotten it.
It's also very noteworthy that Democrats were a lot more conservative back then -- or rather, there were a lot more Manchin types in the party. I don't think there were even 50 pro abortion Senate votes, frankly. It's really understated how Democrats have shifted left since Obama, as a product of losing those Manchin seats and only keeping solid blue ones.
That's what the party of 'lesser-evil' gets you.
The 'lesser' evil. Lol.