Found in the comments of a youtube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwI6py78gsI (I didn't watch because I never watch youtube videos, only reading the comments.
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No, the reason is that you have invented a false history to justify not even trying.
There are entire cultures where eating meat is either a rare occasion, or simply never done, even though they have access to meat and livestock.
People eat what they had available. Sometimes that was meat, many times it wasn't.
A simple vegetable soup is easy and nutritious. Most curries are vegetable-first and only become non-vegetarian by choosing to add meat instead of something like lentils or checkpeas. Vegetable lasagna is decadent and satisfying.
There are near-infinite recipes available of food that is plant-based and tastes good. But you have this list of exclusionary factors where you have decided that various meals "should" have meat, and therefore a meat-free version has made a replacement, and is therefore inferior and you aren't going to try it.
You don't need a recipe, you need a change of mindset.
Pre-history. This happened during the time human figured out how to work with fire, and started consuming cooked meat. The cooked meat itself was not what made human start "socializing", but it introduced something no other animal did: waiting. To fill the void, people started to fill the time with what we now call culture. It is part of our evolutionary history.
None the less, in my first post I spesifically pointed out that I am not looking for "just remove meat", which was the point. And your answer was "well these foods are good if you just remove the meat". That is the issue why you do have issues to convert people to eat vegan: Instead of pointing out WHAT in WHICH cousine is originally meatless, you prefer to ignore the idea that it's hard to start searching the vegetarian cousine, if the available cousine around you is based on "we'll build this around meat", and "Just build it around meat, and then replace or remove the meat". This is the modern western viewpoint, and I am looking to break that for myself.
As per the other commentor suggested, I will look in to lentils in Indian cousine. However, I find that the modern vegetarian cousine has stagnated because of the need to sell "meatlesd meat". Making a good food is about not making compromises. Not "deciding to just drop the meat". I have tried a lot of "vegan options", and as said, I am not looking to turn vegan. That is why I can decide NOT to compromise when it comes to meat. I, however, am open to try vegan cousine that, simply said is not "better by just adding meat". And if you want to convert people to veganism, you need to change of mindset. You need to relize that people who eat meat are not willing to compromise with the meat, when they have already tried that cardboard they call "vegan meat".
A recipe is a start.
I know what you asked. But no, that is not what I said.
I did not say "remove the meat". I pointed out that all these meals are vegetarian until you add the meat. None of them are intrinsically meat-based.
This is EXACTLY what I mean when I say you need a change of mindset, if you actually want to try.
I have no idea where you are looking, but nothing could be further from the truth. Vegetarian options have flourished because more people are moving to a meat-free diet.
And of course, you think pretty much every vegan dish is a compromise, and so you will continue to not try. Convenient!
Bite me :)
I've suggested three already, I'm sorry you have trouble reading.
And I'm saying that I don't like the meat replacers. You have not suggested any recipe that would, by default, fall in to the category of not removing the meat, and my problem is not that you think saying "just make pasta wothout a meat" is a new recipe. My problem is that if I want an option to find something to build a meal around, meat is the best option, because that is available, and easy to make taste good, a vegans answer is "just make whatever you would do, and remove the meat". Vegetable soup is not a recipe, because soup in of itself is so varied dish, that it's not just "throw carrot in water and boil". Vegetable soups fo have names, and you have provided none. I, however, mentioned that I like a sor of vegetable soup: the bean and tomato soup. You can google a recipe, and get quite consistent results that quite consistently have a recognizable common recipe.
I am perfectly willing to find vegetarian meals that nourish me, but I have no interest to become a vegan, partly because culture is hostile. And if you didn't know, hostility rarely welcomes new people in.
As for vegan "meat-free options flourishing", they do because some people feel more incentiviced to eat meatless, and perhaps the quality has probably improved. However, for people who loke the taste of meat, and are not willing to compromise that, you need to provide a good curry by a name, because if I search for curry, I get loads of good curry recipes with chicken, pork and meat, instead of the "OG" curry that, allegedly, does not have meat. What is the protein in that curry? Is it lentils? Is it chia beans? Nobody knows, it's just meatless.
I am ready to try vegan, but by experience I've been birned too many times by asking for the foods that are marketed towards carnivores, but are vegan, that I am not willing to eat meat replacements. And every time I ask if there is a recipe, every time I suggest that I'd be willing to try a meal thst is "accidentally vegan", I am bombarded with "well we have this meat replacer..." or "just make these foods but not with meat".
Tofu is something I don't like, because I associate it with meat replacements, even though I am aware that that particular "meat replacer" has been used for long before meat needed to be "replaced". I just don't fancy those foods.
Now, for lentils or chickpeas. How the fuck does one spice them? How can you make them taste good? Beans are easy peasy, you can spice them pretty much like meat, but with more herbs than pepper. That is why I want recipes. I want references. I want to add options. And yes, I will still eat meat, because that is readily available, easy to make and tastes good.
Oh, and to add to the mix: my SO can't consume pasta due to allergies, so there is that. Do you know how hard it is to bake, when wheat flour is the main baking ingredient for anything slightly puff?
And for you to change your mindset, I'm not saying "consume meat, heretic", I'm saying if you want people to try vegan foods, don't market them as vegan foods. The vegan market is so fixated on "meat replacements" that they've forgotten that traditionally (accidentally) vegan foods can be used as a base to create more interesting culinary options, rather that "compromising the meat".
If you want to find recipes, here are the names of some traditionally plant-based dishes you can search for online:
Dhal (curry)
Ratatouille
Chana masala
Baba ganoush
Does that suffice or do you want links to specific recipes?
Nowhere in any of my comments have I suggested a "meat replacer" even a single time.
This is why I'm snarky with you. Because you keep pretending I've said things that I haven't.
You didn't say it straight, but you quoted me pointing out that meat replacements are not the way, and mentioned that vegetarian foods have gained more footing. Those vegetarian foods refering to the need to replace the meat, instead of laterally developing from naturally vegan foods.
And despite all the good vegetarian food options others have mentioned in this thread (which I'll respond after getting some grub), just to spite you in particular, the dinner today (and tomorrow since there will be leftovers) is the big breakfast. Just for you.
I'm not even vegan. I could not give less of a toss what you eat. But thank you for confirming just how small a person you really are.