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If you think they dont negatively affect you then you probably havent lived around them. You have neighbors getting drunk every night staying up late because they have no job and then when you go to work they rob your house. They're overly aggressive and they treat the house/area like shit by smashing bottles and littering. Obviously not everyone on the benefit does this since I'm on the benefit and I don't do this.
If there were no billionaires it wouldn't change my life. Corporations would still dominate the world as hard as they do.
If there weren't any billionaires, your net worth would be about $100K higher than it currently is ($400K for a family of four). And that would provide you about $4K in yearly passive income ($16K for family of four).
You would own a part of those corporations worth that $100K and would have a say in how they operate.
Based on what?
Based on the concept of sharing, parents should have taught it to you before you could talk.
Nah man, you can believe in private property and still agree to share certain things based on consent.
Exactly, and we can revoke consent to have the limited shared resources of this planet and our labour exploited by billionaires.
Yeah I'm not a billionaire but I don't see why Tesla etal deserves the hate often seen here. You're just showing your true nature, that you withhold love and resources
That's called ignorance. Figure it out.
His math is off, at least for the US. You are in New Zealand so it's probably less bad for you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States#:~:text=As%20of%20late%202022%2C%20according,a%20total%20of%20%2443.45%20trillion.
Distribute that 4.5 trillion between 330 million people and you only get 10000. You would need to take 45 trillion from the top 1% to give everyone else 100000
It's still absurd how much money they have.
I'm interested in how and why they think it will be distributed cause it seems to me that it wouldn't flow to the bottom
Oh wow yeah let's get right on crafting a transition plan into billionaires theoretically not existing wow what a great idea. I had thought he was just demonstrating how much wealth they have captured with a thought experiment but oh boy, you specimen of progress, you actually want to do it! How brave.
Cunt.
You want someone else to blame for your problems 😴
Corps like Marlboro advertised their products were healthy for years, don't suggest that corps don't cause problems or won't cause problems. Billionaires direct the actions of corps and use them as shields for liability.
I don't think I did suggest that corps won't cause problems. I was going to try make the point that if there were no billionaires then that wealth would flow to the pockets of corporations not the everyday person.
People own corps. If it's billionaires or a trade union owning the corp, it's a little different.
You are literally this meme, bruv.
Aside from the fact that your life would be dramatically different without billionaires, you'll find that employed people do that shit too.
I think you are mixing different groups of people and pinning that on receiving benefits. As if receiving benefits is what caused them to be alcoholics or receiving benefits makes them steal from others.
There are good and there are shitty people, on the other hand social benefits are a safety net when you experience a bad life situation you can survive it without doing on the street. Disability, unemployment. Do you think you can receive unemployment forever? It's value is based on how much you were making in previous job (I think it is 2/3 of income (in more generous states) and has a hard limit on the maximum which is relatively low) and it has a time limit (I think 6 months or less).
Somebody who breaks to other people's homes don't need unemployment and to them that amount of money is laughable.
I'm not saying the benefit causes this. I'm saying that people on the benefit negatively affect my life slightly and I don't think someone who interacts with people on the benefit would make such a statements.
In that case you just happen to live near an asshole that happens to (or you are assuming he does) to live on a welfare.
Yes and that's why I disagree with the meme
Yes, but don't blame the benefits for terrible people being terrible. Good people and terrible people can both use benefits the same way they can both drive on the freeway.
Holy shit lol
I truly hope no one in your household ever becomes severely disabled and unable to work. Without those benefits, many more disabled people would be homeless and starving (too many already are). It’s already prohibitively expensive to be sick in the US, and people who have worked hard routinely lose their health benefits when they can no longer work, forcing them to ration healthcare and make hard choices between medicine and housing/food.
Even if you personally are able to work and keep your insurance, having a disabled child can utterly destroy your financial security and future.
You’re judging all benefits recipients based on the behaviour of a small minority, when without those benefits, many disabled and elderly people would starve and die.
Where did I say the benefit should be removed? Where did I say this applies to all people on the benefit? All I disagreed with was that people on the benefit negatively affect my life because they do. I almost never see this behavior from people who work.
The tenor of your whole comment gives that impression, to be honest.
And the tenor of my whole comment is defensive because I feel like the meagre chicken scratch subsistence that allows me to barely make rent, sometimes buy food or medicine, and make sure my heat and electricity stay on for winter puts me on the defensive when people make comments such as yours. Especially since I recently learned that I can no longer afford teeth, even though a side effect of my primary diagnosis makes my teeth rot, crack, and break painfully no matter how well I take care of them. Every single tooth is very painful and I can’t afford to fix them.
So perhaps we’re both a bit on edge about this topic.
I’m on ‘the benefit’ because Im too disabled to work at all, so I’m in the group you’re talking about. I don’t know what you see, but it’s something very, very different from what I see.
If they have to rob your house to be able to live, then their benefits probably don't sustain them.
"People" like you should be forced to leave society.
Completely sane response 👏
Redditors on reddit be like: "redditors are SO terrible!!!" What mechanism do you think the billionaires used to take the value of all the actual labor you absolute genius
Ok, sorry for being an idiot. I'm pretty sure you're not saying billionaires use reddit to exploit people's labor, but I can't figure out what you are saying.
Corporations are the tool. Reddit, google, whatever your pick, corporations are the tool by which legality is bent so one man can reap the majority of the rewards brought about by the efforts of thousands. I was making fun of your post because you mentioned them without implicating them and kept billionaires and corporations separated semantically.
Thanks, that makes sense. I didn't write the original comment, but I think you're absolutely right.