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Senior men have higher rates of suicide than average, and firearms were involved in more than three-quarters of those deaths in 2021, according to a CDC report

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Medical Aid in Dying (MAiD) is only legal in 11 US states.

At best, it requires a diagnosis for a terminal illness with 6 months left to live.

Individuals with an Alzheimer's or Dementia diagnosis are precluded from being able to make that choice, even if the diagnosis is recent and they still have most of their faculties.

We could be doing so much more to allow people to go out on their own terms and die a good death. It doesn’t have to be traumatic for family members, whoever discovers the body, or those who will inevitably clean up the aftermath.

[–] meco03211 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ever see the show Shameless? Very dark comedy throughout, mostly light hearted content. One episode had me balling. One of the main characters is having memory issues. They were sort of working their bucket list that reunited them with a friend that also had memory problems. The friend mentioned their spouse dying. Main character asks how they remembered. They had it written down on a post-it note on the fridge.

If I had to relive my wife dying every day because I forgot, just put me down.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 4 points 7 months ago

My wife has a dementia patient for the past year who doesn't remember being married and having children. She says he proposal to her about once a week. Maybe it won't be as bad as you think?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So the choice given to a dying old man faced with watching his "retirement" and healthcare costs drain whatever meager remains of the estate he might leave behind is faced with this choice:

A) Spend six figures on the various hoops needed to legally kill yourself. B) Spend 40 cents on a really good 9mm cartridge.

Medically assisted suicide doesn't work in places without public healthcare. You can NEVER be certain that the decision isn't driven by financial concerns, and like ALL HEALTHCARE IN THE US, its really only available to at least marginally wealthy people in the first place.

[–] Ambiorickx 11 points 7 months ago

For real. Once I retire in a decade or so, I’ll try to live off social security for as log as possible, but once I need to dip into my savings, I’m just tapping my kid’s inheritance. At that point, death is the only financially rational option.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I knew someone who made use of a death with dignity law and one of the doctors that he had to see to get the OK legally had to entourage him to take his own life. Something along the lines of "I have to tell you that, instead of a peaceful drug-assisted death, you have the option to forgo eating and drinking until you die."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

The sad part is, some people have done that because in their area there was no legal medical assistance. I read an article a few years ago about a person who decided to go out that way. I can't imagine how horrible it must be to be clawed by hunger pains for days until death. I've experienced hunger for days while waiting on a paycheck, but until death? That's a whole new level of horror.

[–] Zron 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

We put dogs down every day because they have incurable diseases or are suffering.

I had to put my dog down a few years ago because she was so old she could no longer get up or control her bladder or bowels, and I felt guilty for letting it get that far. I still remember the look in her eyes when they gave her the pain killers to knock her out, she looked so relieved.

I don’t understand how I get to make that decision for a dog, but a grown human, in most places, can’t make that call for themselves and go out in a peaceful and controlled manner. If I knew I was going to die painfully in a few months or a year, I’d definitely take an overdose or nitrogen asphyxiation over the disease. When dogs have a better way out than people, something is seriously wrong.

[–] ghostdoggtv 6 points 7 months ago

Too many people think the point of society is so you have others to take advantage of.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 5 points 7 months ago

There unfortunately isn't going to be a perfect answer here. I think most people would agree that a 17 year old in perfect health but depressed shouldn't be able to die and I think most people would agree that 95 year old with a week to live in serious pain should be able to.

Where the line is, who gets to decide, and what criteria they use is always going to be something debatable. I generally think it should be decided by medical review boards and the most important criteria should be consent.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I had someone close to me with a terminal illness use a gun to end his suffering. He had a bottle of Oxy on his nightstand and a gun inside his nightstand and the only reason I can think that he decided to go the gun route was so he was sure that it'd be done. It sucks that he didn't have any other options available that could have provided a more caring and humane way to exit. Instead now his wife has to live with having found him like that in bed, and my daughter has to live with the fact that she never got to say 'goodbye'.