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[–] z00s 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

M I D D L E

M A N A G E R S

This is the real reason why companies are trying so desperately to camcel WFH. Covid revealed the truth (that we knew all along) that these people add no actual value to a company. They're only there to act as a buffer between the C-suite and the peasants.

[–] Meltrax 11 points 1 year ago

Managers of people can be good.

Managers of managers are almost always useless.

[–] Lancoian 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

how are you connecting cancelling of WFH to middle managers ?

Also in your ideal company you don't have team leads department heads but peasants talk to CEOs directly ?

[–] z00s 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Lancoian 3 points 1 year ago

haha no right now I am peasant class.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Worker owned cooperatives, worker managed teams, company decisions made democratically.

All other kinds of companies are dictatorships.

[–] Lancoian 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

and why should that be any better? just because it appears democratic does not mean it makes it automatically "better" <- name 1 cooperation which has shown success for every 1000 "dictatorships"

democracies are plagued with slow reaction time which would take away your entire market edge. Also democries require transparency. If everyone knows the costing structure/ suppliers... you are done.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Why would having a say in making decisions about your employment be any better than just doing whatever the richest idiot says?"

Do you even hear yourself? They've got you loving the taste of boot polish.

[–] Lancoian 4 points 1 year ago

go freelance. you don't have to. since your consider yourself smarter than your boss try starting a business.

it's a trade off between income fluctuation and stability.

since you didn't address any of my points but chose to just respond with random statements, I take it you were convinced but too ingrained with your original statement to admit. It's fine happens to many of us.

glad to have helped you thinking critically.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would we be done? Most of this stuff is public record or easy to determine if you have a head for business finance.

[–] Lancoian 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

not really.. even for publically traded companies the you cannot tell much about their suppliers and customers. Most of the customers of the Firm I work for have NDAs stating we cannot openly advertise.

Only in services/tech sector where product differentiation is large you are a bit isolated form these concerns.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh please my competitors are often using the same suppliers and they have the same type of beancounters we have. Especially in my industry where we have a bunch of overlap. Just recently I had a corporate partner put together a quote for something we normally buy but wanted them to buy it. They came back with a price within a few percent of what we normally pay.

There is a reason why the three letter agencies are so good at catching money laundering. They have data on what X type of business should be buying and selling at what markup.

I bet you can do it. Just start looking at your numbers.

[–] Lancoian 1 points 1 year ago

so you agree that numbers aren't currently in the public domain. You just think they can be and it wouldn't hurt.

Also this isn't the only problem I outlined. it's one of them.

also people are often disinterested and unqualified to even understand a balance sheet. let alone deciding on company direction.

I just find it fascinating that many people are convinced that they can run a company while they aren't even able to manage their own finances

[–] Cryophilia 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They’re only there to act as a buffer between the C-suite and the peasants.

This is a very important role in some companies, otherwise the C suite meddling would stop any work from getting done.

I've had two excellent managers and both of them saw their primary purpose as being a bullshit filter to free up the rest of us to do actual work.

[–] z00s 3 points 1 year ago

That is a good point actually.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 1 points 1 year ago

I am just thinking of my job. The client wants something stupid, I have to pick and choose my battles. When it comes time for me to hand over to fabrication I get yelled at. Never mind the fact that what the fabrication manager sees is the aftermath of my work. They had say 13 bad ideas and I got it reduced to say 6.