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Musk also claimed that "there have not been new car [brands] that have been successful for 100 years, apart from Tesla."

Some automotive brands that were founded in the last 100 years:

Chrysler (1924) Volvo (1927) BMW (1928) Datsun/Nissan (1931/1933) Fiat (1932) Toyota (1936) Volkswagen (1937) Jeep (1943) Land Rover (1948) Honda (1963)

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Those are polite ways of saying stainless steel is hard to work with, and flat expanses of bodywork are unforgiving when it comes to gaps, fit, and finish.

Why would stainless steel be any harder to work with than normal steel?

[–] Grimy 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stainless steel is alloyed with chromium nickel and other stuff. It's harder to cut, shape and weld. The wear on tools is also higher and it work hardens faster (it loses its plasticity faster as it's deformed).

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's unpainted. On a painted vehicle, a dent or a scratch is a sanding, cleaning and a painting away. Paint can fill scratches and voids. If the entire surface is bare metal, you can't bodyfill it if it gets a dent and you can't weld metal into it or onto it to fill a void without marring the finish.

These are going to age like bananas.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It was a concept car.

I don't get why they can't just make the thing out of aluminium and paint it a metallic silver. It'll look just as nice if not better, be cheaper to make, weigh far less, and consequently have a longer range and/or require a smaller battery.

It's such a dumb hill to die on.

[–] Earthwormjim91 9 points 1 year ago

It was a concept car that he doubled down on and promised to deliver it as designed.

As soon as they unveiled it, anyone with a brain could tell you it was never going to make it to market like that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Are you talking during production or after it's been sold? On the latter, lack of rusting will go a long way.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

After it's been sold, or even on the lot surrounded by other vehicles coming and going all day. Even if it's driven down the road once, the front bumper will be pitted with rock marks.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 1 year ago

Lack of rusting is great. Just hope you don't need any other sort of body work.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I highly, highly doubt it will be made entirely of ss. The dissimilar metals problem will be real. But it'll be branded 'electrolysis' which sounds more high tech than 'rust'

[–] reddig33 2 points 1 year ago

A lesson that was already known from the history of the Delorean.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Stainless work hardens quickly. So if there's a dent, it's now "harder" than anything around it. Most steel can be moved around quite a bit before it starts to harden in any useful fashion. It's also, generally, harder. So it wears out tools and tooling faster.

[–] reddig33 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I read a comment recently that the flat shape of the panels are going to have a tendency to want to buckle inward or outward as they flex/torque. Similar to how metal sheets behave when used to make “thunder” sound effects on old radio shows. They didn’t put any curve or arc into the panel design to prevent this from happening. Wish I could find the link to share here.

[–] GarrettBird 4 points 1 year ago

Sounds like they ran into the oil canning problem.