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I hope the fact that Trump obviously will lose a lot in all the cases against him, will finally disenchant a lot of his followers, who will see clearly, that Trump is not actually as capable as he claims, and he cannot effectively "fight the system" for them as they hoped, when he cannot even fight it effectively for himself.
Agreed with the hope but many of his fans have a conspiracy theory mindset. Anything that goes against him will, in their minds, prove he's being targeted because he's the hero we need or some shit.
Trump has a cult of personality. They'll never abandon him until the day he dies. Everyone else, however, will steer clear
I wouldn't wish him dead, but I wouldn't be sad if it happened.
I wouldn't hold your breath. The survivors of the Heaven's Gate cult continued to believe after most everyone they knew offed themselves over a comet. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.
Combine that cognitive dissonance with the sunk cost fallacy, and what you end up with is a cocktail for the worst components of human evolutionary psychology at work. Breaking that degree of social programming stacked on top of pre-existing biological priming can be damn near impossible.
They've spent years having to defend and rationalize why they vote for him. Admitting they were wrong will be impossible for a lot of them. So they dig in even deeper.
Not all of them, though. We just need enough of them to give up on Trump for him to lose his stranglehold on American politics.
I think the Republican Party needs to completely implode and reform without the crazies in order for American democracy to stand a chance.
Nothing will disenchant the followers. This is ammo for them. Their guy is getting "persecuted" by the "evil Democrats and corrupt judges". They are more likely to want to destroy the government because they distrust it.
I mean, IDGAF. Trump delende est. But the Base will never defect.
Yes I know Trump has pushed that narrative vigorously, and his followers have been buying it. I just don't think they'll see him as the strong guy they want to lead them to their dystopian future. When they see him lose over and over again.
I think Trump may have tried to encourage his followers to civil war, we know he uses Hitler's playbook, and according to him, you can take a country if you can convince 10-20% of the people to do it. Luckily this has fallen absolutely flat, and he seems to be more and more desperate to make his followers react, but they don't.
Boris Yeltsin was lambasted by the Soviet elites. They published nonstop criticism and lies. At one point they published how he was a pedophile and the public didn't even care. He laughed about it during a speech because it was, in the eyes of his supporters, an obvious fabrication.
Boris ended up being a drunk fuck up and lost the favor of Russians but he did that to himself. To be fair, economic shock therapy, inflation, and the perceived exploitation of Russia by the West contributed too. That's why I think Trump will not be taken down by losing court cases or by media outrage. He must do it to himself.
That is all true, but there are many differences between Boris Yeltsin and Trump. In Russia they never came to enjoy actual democracy. So they probably didn't believe or care much about it. And they had little reason to believe the press.
Come to think of it, you are probably right.
The best part of all the trials is that they are public and those people can do their own research, see the evidence, and make up their own minds. But the evidence is there and it is damning.
Nope, won't happen. They will dig in deeper against "Unfair Justice" and "Deep State" and stuff like that.